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Marc_H Wrote: Feb 06, 2013 3:29 PM
hey O-D question: if there was a system so complex that it sould not have happened by accident, woudl that disprove evolution?
Jack2894 Wrote: Feb 06, 2013 3:38 PM
No. But if you have such a system in mind, offer it up. All the ones presented by Behe in Black Box were refuted
Fuzzy2 Wrote: Feb 06, 2013 3:45 PM
Actually, they weren't refuted at all.
They were given alternative suggestions as to how they could have occurred.

Such as the light sensitive cells evolving into an eye.

Anyone should be able to see the absurdity of that though. Cells deciding on their own that there is something better to morph into so they go about setting up the lens and the iris and all the necessary things an eye needs, all without the dna programming. One would have to be an idiot to believe it. But in today's world, if you say something ludicrous enough, some people latch onto it and believe it.
Jack2894 Wrote: Feb 06, 2013 3:53 PM
You have a less than adequate grasp of the science involved.

http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/design2/article.html

or a number of other analyses of Behe's work are readily available.
Fuzzy2 Wrote: Feb 06, 2013 5:08 PM
As are those that refute them.

You go ahead and put your faith in those you trust.
OBAMA-DRAMA Wrote: Feb 06, 2013 3:33 PM
Marc_H

Please provide specific examples supportive of your hypothesis.
Marc_H Wrote: Feb 06, 2013 3:36 PM
the Eye

blood clotting

Flagellum

3 from Darwin's Black Box

Jack2894 Wrote: Feb 06, 2013 3:45 PM
All the examples from Behe have been readily refuted. There is no such thing s a irreducible complexity.

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