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The Constitutional Perils of Recognizing Gay Unions

Manny41 Wrote: Mar 06, 2013 8:40 PM
The push for "gay marriage" has an obvious objective - establishing a 14th Amendment right. That will place the Catholic church in the position of either marrying a gay couple or face a civil rights suit.
peaceman Wrote: Mar 06, 2013 10:30 PM
No, actually the "push for gay marriage" as you put it, is simply an acknowledgement of what should already be in place: the basic right of individuals to marry regardless of sexual orientation. This does not imply that any religious institution must be forced into performing the ceremony. That's based on the principle of the separation of church and state.
mhubbard Wrote: Mar 06, 2013 11:42 PM
You say that it does not require churches to perform the ceremony, HOWEVER just wait for the first church to refuse to do so and the couple to scream discrimination. It is going to happen. Gays originally stated that i=f they couldhave all the rights of marriage, but not the liscense, that would be enough. As soon as it was passed, they started screaming discrimination as they couldn't have a marriage liscense. Ironically, unmarried gay couples now have more rights than unmarried heterosexual couples.
David3036 Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 4:14 AM
Has a Catholic church or priest ever been charged with discrimination for refusing to marry a divorced person? Has ANY church ever gotten in trouble because it would not marry somone of another faith?

Of course not. That's what freedom of religion is all about. That will not change -- and in fact every same-sex marriage law written in the past few years has multiple assurances for churches, even though the First Amerndment freedoms make such language completely unnecessary.

Private companies are different, so you may hear about a florist or photographer being charged with discrimination, but not churches. People who serve the public can run afoul of anti-discrimination laws (not marriage laws) if they can't serve ALL of the public.
hboring Wrote: Mar 19, 2013 9:13 PM
Let's not forget the "gay" couple denied photographs of their "wedding" by a Christian having filed suit against said Christian, urging that he be forced to photograph the ceremony. And you don't think they'd sue a Church?! HAH.

When President Obama endorsed gay marriage last year, he said the issue should be left to the states. Last week, he said it shouldn't.

To be more precise, a Supreme Court brief filed by the Obama administration last Thursday argues that California's ban on gay marriage denies homosexuals the "equal protection of the laws" guaranteed by the 14th Amendment. Although the brief focuses on Proposition 8, the 2008 ballot initiative that overturned a California Supreme Court decision requiring the state to recognize gay marriages, its logic suggests that a policy Obama himself rejected less than a year ago is...