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Caught Red-Handed on Climate Change

M.Hillinger__aka__QR Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 12:11 PM
I wrote earlier about Ransom’s hypocrisy and have not yet had a good response. When he first wrote this recycled piece (April 2012) I asked him why he did not also condemn the person who stole the emails from the East Anglia. As the NYT link shows, there was condemnation of Gleick's action from those on all sides of the political spectrum. Here is what Ransom said “..there is a big difference between revealing government misconduct through the knowing manipulation of data by scientists anxious to sell an hypothesis as settled science and stealing and altering documents from a private non-for-profit- which, the last time I checked, still had the right of free-speech and therefore a right to their own opinion.”
3204 Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 2:31 PM

What's it like to be lost in your own little fantasy world?
Specious Rule Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 1:58 PM
The NYT link above shows little if any condemnation of Gleick's actions outside of the fact that it bemoans the damage to the scientific community's reputation. Did you notice that the LA Times refers to the Heartland docs as being "unwittingly released" and the NY Times wrote that Gleick had "masqueraded" as a board member to "obtain" the heartland docs? Should we/I condemn an anonymous thief who brought the clear defrauding of taxpayers to our attention? BTW, the only true way for Ransom to be a hypocrite would be for him to steal docs himself while claiming that theft is wrong. I think you mean to say that Ransom is inconsistent in his views.
Specious Rule Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 2:29 PM
Your point not mine. Thanks for the misplaced praise tho!
3204 Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 2:33 PM

What's it like to be lost in your own little fantasy world?
M.Hillinger__aka__QR Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 2:34 PM
"Your point not mine. Thanks for the misplaced praise tho!"

No, I meant your point about the distinction between "hypocrisy" and "inconsistency".
M.Hillinger__aka__QR Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 12:11 PM
Notice how the East Anglia emails were “revealed” while Gleick “stole” and “altered” documents.

Since Ransom wrote this, British officials have concluded that the GRU emails were, indeed, stolen from the outside and not leaked. An independent review also indicated that Gleick did not alter the Heartland documents. Finally, there have been no less than nine different investigations on both sided of the Atlantic that concluded that no data was manipulated.

I agree that Gleick made a serious ethical error. Why can’t Ransom and others acknowledge the crime of stealing emails?
badgerpat Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 12:22 PM
Stealing emails is bad. There. Happy? How does that change anything at all?
stangerinmyownland Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 12:48 PM
The "independent" review was an internal review--Gleick did alter the documents-he admitted he did.
John Ransom, Finance Editor Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 12:51 PM
Sniff. Mike's mad at me.

Hey Mikey- Why not admit that instead of Gleick making a "serious ethical error," that he committed a crime? Stealing is always wrong. But I'm not that worked up about the Pentagon Papers. As badger said: "Stealing is wrong" no matter who did it.
Tacitus X Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 12:54 PM
Actually the document examiners concluded "it more likely than not that Gleick is in fact the author/compiler of the document entitled ‘Confidential Memo: 2012 Heartland Climate Strategy,’ and further that the document does not represent a genuine strategy memo from the Heartland Institute.”
M.Hillinger__aka__QR Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 12:58 PM
"committed a crime"

What crime would that be, Johnny?

I know you are not much into "research" so here is a place to start

http://www.cjr.org/the_observatory/heartland_gleick_and_media_law.php?page=all
M.Hillinger__aka__QR Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 1:06 PM
"Actually the document examiners concluded"

Source?
Colonialgirl Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 1:17 PM
Liberal brain dead troll spew of nonsense as usual.
A major display of complete stupidity which is normal for liberal trolls with heads full of Bovine droppings.
Colonialgirl Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 1:18 PM
Liberal brain dead troll spew of nonsense as usual.
A major display of complete stupidity which is normal for liberal trolls with heads full of Bovine droppings.
Oldschool7 Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 1:30 PM
The emails from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia were definitely liberated . . . how that happened is still a mystery, But the information proved beyond doubt that Phil Jones, Mann and others were Conspiring to keep the flow of Tax Dollars to their respective deceitful operations.
The UN's IPCC was a "Front" for these criminals and today they have Zero credibility.
Specious Rule Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 2:25 PM
John, don't be too upset because it's a mixed bag. Mike did admit that you recycle. That's a good thing, or isn't it?
3204 Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 2:32 PM

What's it like to be lost in your own little fantasy world?
3204 Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 2:32 PM

What's it like to be lost in your own little fantasy world?
3204 Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 2:32 PM

What's it like to be lost in your own little fantasy world?
3204 Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 2:32 PM

What's it like to be lost in your own little fantasy world?

A prominent global warming scientist, Peter Gleick, who was chairman of the ethics committee at the American Geophysical Union, admitted last year that he stole some documents- and he may have forged others- from the conservative think-tank the Heartland Institute. But that’s all in a day’s work for a work-a-day climate warrior. The important thing isn’t the quest for the truth in global climate research, but, as Charlie Sheen would say, winning. With winning comes cash.   

Because for some time it’s been clear, that in the climate debate, instead of actually accomplishing something worthwhile, all the attention will be...

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