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Mexican Families to Sue ATF Over Fast and Furious

LSBeene Wrote: Jun 07, 2012 12:50 PM
3) Wait for said weapons to show up at crime scenes, and then, notionally, use that to “roll up” the cartels by arresting the shooter and flipping him. ************* Wait ….. WHAT!? That’s insane. The Cartels’ M.O. is to use a weapon to murder someone, and then wipe the weapon of prints and drop it at the scene. Meaning, for Operation Fast and Furious to WORK AS INTENDED, hundreds of people had to die. Some guilty, some innocent, but they had to DIE. Then ….. what? The Gunman was going to wait around to be arrested?! And once arrested was going to flip on the cartels!? Seriously!? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. Even a layman/woman civilian overview of the plan would never be credible. To a LEO or a Soldier (people who deal with unpleasant...
NW-Res Wrote: Jun 07, 2012 1:13 PM
Yup, you have pretty much summed it up. BO, Holder and the other top officials in the ATF should hang.
LSBeene Wrote: Jun 07, 2012 12:51 PM
What a vile crew of sociopaths. I mean, I’m a simple guy and that’s what I’d call a group of people who got together to artificially create scenario like this. Not war gaming (the military), nor false-flag sabotage (CIA), or a Sting (police), or anything somewhat shady that all nations engage in on the world stage.

No, this was planned out pre-meditated accessory to murder specifically designed to horrify and outrage the U.S. (and Mexican) public, in order to further a political goal of restricting gun ownership.

It’s analogous to starting a fire in someone’s house using a their own gas lines, and then writing legislation outlawing and restricting gas usage – all the while you have a supply of oil for heating running to your own...
LSBeene Wrote: Jun 07, 2012 12:50 PM
Or, is it more likely that once HUNDREDS of death were reported in Mexico and along the Southern Border that an anti-gun agenda, specifically targeting “mom and pop” shops could have pre-prepared “waiting in the wings” legislation ready to go.

Further – think about it. If the gov’t truly wanted those guns sold, and tracked, why not go to major arms manufacturers and set this whole thing up?

1) Because they want gun shops, where CIVILIANS buy guns to be the ones targeted for onerous laws and regulation. Gun shops = soft target.
2) Because they want gun manufacturers to continue to crank out product for gov’t and foreign sales consumption – and, obviously, gun manufacturers aren’t as naïve, have powerful lobbying groups, and well heeled...

Back in September, it was confirmed by Mexican Attorney General Marisel Morales that at least 200 Mexican citizens have been killed as a result of the Obama Justice Department's Operation Fast and Furious. Last week, Mexican Ambassador to the United States Arturo Sarukan said the lethal operation, of which the Mexican government was left in the dark about, has caused a major loss of trust in the U.S. from the Mexican people.

"Mexico was never apprised how the operation would be designed and implemented," Sarukhan told officials at a forum hosted by the New Democrat Network,...