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Twenty Things this Conservative Believes

Louie13 Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 1:01 PM
I have reservations about # 2, 12, 14, & 20. In #2 (with government welfare), I have no problem with handicapped people getting food stamps for example. In #12 (with threats to our nation), I agree that the biggest threat to America is our own government, and that bankrupting the country is part of it, but not the only part, taking away our freedoms by unconstitutionally seizing total control over the States and the American people is an even graver threat.
Mother of 4 -- the original Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 1:07 PM
The vast majority of handicapped people are capable of doing some kind of productive, paid work. It is an affront to their human dignity to have them supported in idle uselessness rather than gainfully employed to the best of their abilities.

Those who are not capable of supporting themselves should be supported first by their own families and then via private charity.

Cardinal5671 Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 1:51 PM
It bears pointing out that there is a vast difference between getting paid to do a job and being able to support yourself with that pay. I wonder how much of that "vast majority" that can do the former is able to do the latter. Not to say I don't agree with you in general, but just beware of broad statements like this.
Mother of 4 -- the original Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 2:55 PM
Full-time work at minimum wage is over $15,000/year -- well above both food stamp eligibility and poverty level.
Birdman III Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 1:04 PM
Louie, there handicapped people before government started to hand out welfare. How did they manage to survive? Are there other ways the handicapped can be helped without governmental intervention?
Louie13 Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 1:26 PM
Yes Birdman, as Mother of 4 points out, there are other ways to help the handicapped and others in need without federal government intervention. And I will give you that it is probably unconstitutional for the Federal Government to be doing that (it is limited to what is enumerated in the Constitution, and I don’t think charity to individuals is enumerated).
Louie13 Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 1:02 PM
In # 14 (with counting ballots), hand counting ballots may be less accurate than machine counting if it is not done right (and certainly less efficient), but machine counting makes it awfully quick and easy to steal votes, lots of votes, simply by manipulating the computer programing.

In # 20, (with criminals rights), the Constitution states that the right to bear arms, for example, SHALL NOT BE INFRENGED. That’s a hard saying, but it is the law of the land. If a ex-criminal cannot be trusted with a gun, don’t let him out, keep him in prison.

Topeka Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 1:10 PM
Good points Louie,

on No. 20 - my first concern is not with the limits on felons but the definition of felonies...

At the rate we're going - if you get up in the morning; screw in an incandescent light bulb, drive your kid to school without a booster seat, forget to buckle, buy a 20 oz soda, and then go to the bank and deposit your cash from the till without filling out the forms, drink some organic milk, and try to get some fertilizer on the way home...

you've probably earned six felonies and 25-life for aggravated neglect of Leftism...

1) Any illegal alien caught in this country should be forever barred from legally visiting this country, working here, or becoming an American citizen.

2) If you take welfare or food stamps or if your kids have to get free meals at school, you should be ashamed. Your kids should feel ashamed by your failure, too.

3) There is no such thing as a conflict between Christianity and science or a reason for any Christian to have his religious beliefs override any conclusions that he'd reach by simply following the science. Any and all apparent conflicts between science...