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Is the Personhood Movement Really Pro-Life?

Louie13 Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 2:34 PM
This is not a good article. If legally defining life as beginning at conception does not overthrow Row vs Wade, nothing will. Incremental? Is that what God would have you do? Don’t you think Liberal judges with an agenda will overthrow that too? Get real! This is what God the Father and God the Son say about lukewarmness: “Would that ye were either hot or cold, the lukewarm I will spew out of my mouth!” Always call a spade a spade, and don't be afraid to speak the truth. Louie
Yan5 Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 8:22 PM
Louie please read the Constitution. There is something in there called the Supremacy clause. That means that the Constitution trumps state laws. So, if the Court says that the Constitution means X, and a state says 'we will not follow X', the Constitution wins.

Right now, the court says the Constitution guarantees the right to abortion under certain circumstances. A state personhood amendment CANNOT TAKE AWAY THAT RIGHT.
blongworth Wrote: Jun 23, 2012 11:39 PM
Where does the US Constitution provide the "right" to abortion?
Yan5 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 7:55 PM
According to the Supreme Court, which decides whether a right is in the Constitution or not, it is impliedly found somewhere amongst our liberty and privacy interests.

Don't ask me to defend the logic or the jurisprudence. It doesn't matter. Once the Court says it is so, only the Court or a constitutional amendment can say it is no longer so. If you want to be ruled by the Constitution, then that is the only way available to you to change the Constitution.

So forget about personhood amendments and get serious about changing people's minds about abortion, so we can pass a constitutional amendment and/or get pro-life presidents elected who will appoint justices to overrule Roe.
Anominus Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 3:36 PM
The personhood argument isn't based on when life begins. It does not rely on science or any provable fact, so much as it does politics and social opinion. As such, it is the weakest argument against abortion. In truth, either all humans are persons from the beginning of their lives (conception), or slavery is justified because "not all persons are born equal."
blongworth Wrote: Jun 23, 2012 11:38 PM
I guess that's why NARAL and Planned Parenthood sees Personhood as their #1 enemy, right?

One of the most controversial wings of the pro-life movement is the “personhood” effort. Championed by Personhood USA out of Colorado, its goal is to have personhood defined in law to include the unborn. Theoretically, it sounds good. Practically, it will never work and meanwhile is severely hurting the pro-life movement.

The pro-life movement does not support the personhood effort. Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum issued this statement about it, “Nearly every reputable pro-life leader has criticized the approach of the personhood amendment, which will simply give more power to pro-abortion judges.” Another statement from...