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Rubio's Risk

loadstar Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 9:09 AM
There is a common red herring line about opposing poor Hispanic ILLEGALS---> "Hey, they said the same things about the poor Irish and Italians 100 years ago!" There are 3 HUGE differences... 1) America itself is much different-- we are now an advanced service economy where education & communications skills are essential 2) Hispanics are very low aptitude-- average I.Q. just 80 per the Science Channel...that was NOT true of Euro's 3) when they crossed the pond, Euro's WANTED to become Americans; Hispanics want Reconquista
Delta Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 12:45 PM
Also note: while the Irish immigrants already spoke English, most of the others (Italians, Poles, Germans, etc.) did not but they learned it and spoke it, even with accents. We never had to print everything in their languages, nor did we have to "punch one for English" as we now do for hispanics. And the European immigrants wanted to work, were better educated and brought up bilingual, disciplined children, not gang members.
Mountain Rose Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 12:12 PM
If Latinos have a lower "IQ" it is only because they are trapped in inadequate schools.

IMO the radical Left are deliberately trying to keep minority children ignorant so they can keep them like pets and manipulate them using emotion and illogic.

This is the most important issue of our day - to take back the schools and teach children of all walks the fine traditions of our great country.

This, may I add, includes children's programming on television. Have you ever sat down and watched the Leftist bath children take on Saturday mornings watching TV? Unless we start producing our own cartoons, we are stuck with the drivel the Left cranks out in large quantities.
loadstar Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 9:21 PM
I.Q. is not achievement/ is measured aptitude.

Hispanics are like other "Indians"...not very bright, and they have 5 times the likelihood of alcohol problems
loadstar Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 9:16 AM

Something that gets totally missed about poor, typically ignorant, Hispanic immigrants...

While it was true that back in the 19th Century some like Andrew Carnegie could arrive here poor, even uneducated, and aspire to make good, we are now what economists call an "advanced service economy."

What this means is that one REALLY needs education and communication skills to get ahead in TODAY'S America. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs might have dropped out of college, but that is an academic point-- neither was ignorant or culturally disparate.

But the myriad, prolific Hispanic poor who predominate among ILLEGAL aliens almost NEVER fit this matrix. Naturalizing poor Hispanics simply accelerates our devolution into becoming a Third World Country.
R.3 Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 11:03 AM
I"m not sure about the need for education and communication skills to get ahead. I believe many illegals have gotten ahead just by coming here and getting a job. The low-education jobs, where manual skills like shingling roofs or finishing concrete, pay for output not intellect. No matter how "advanced" our society becomes we will always need these types of workers. They learn enough English to do what they have to do and, for the most part, remain in a transplanted Hispanic community, so to speak.
Mountain Rose Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 12:15 PM
I find most Latino workers to be religious, hard working, and decent.

The radical Left keep putting forward Marxist rabblerousers and criminal gang members in front of our faces to drive a wedge between conservatives and the larger body of Latinos, who share our traditional values and who are just as appalled at the toxic cultural influence on their children.
Emilie3 Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 4:32 PM
The first generation doesn't mind doing manual labor, but often their children don't want to do that, they will stay in school in hopes of not having to do what their parents did. I don't think it is fair to paint all illegals with the same brush, saying they are sub-human ignoramuses. It isn't true. It is culture shock that keeps them in their own communities, just like the Irish and Germans and Scandinavians who first came here who did have gangs in the large cities like New York. English descent thugs used to harass the Irish and the "hunkies", etc.
Emilie3 Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 4:35 PM
It isn't the radical left that keep putting forward the "Reconquista" rabblerousers; they do it themselves as part of their machismo culture. The good people are kept from progressing by prejudice, and greed by business owners the same way white planters kept negro slaves. It is so hard for the moral people to fight the prejudice--the last hired, first fired due to skin color and ethnicity.
loadstar Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 8:49 PM
But we already have PLENTY of lesser-skilled/manual labor types to do the manual labor jobs.

The jobs that allow you to have rising expectations call for education and communications skills...the BLS says so. It is in some of the more technical jobs that we have demand/openings.

A friend of mine, Republican consultant Matt Mackowiak, tweeted on Tuesday night that if immigration reform goes through Congress this year "it will almost solely be due to" Florida Senator Marco Rubio.

To which I replied: "you break it, you buy it."

There are two different conservative narratives about Rubio's dalliance with John McAmnesty and the other bi-partisan group of senators on board with his plan. The first is the glowing words coming from Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and now Rush Limbaugh. Just one day after Limbaugh made national news by trashing Rubio's plan, he praised the senator effusively...