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Chicago Teacher Strike is Not For the Children

loadstar Wrote: Sep 13, 2012 9:00 AM
A key problem about teacher compensation-- While the average teacher nationally makes > $54k in base alone per the NEA itself, this is skewed toward tenure/longevity, so starting pay scales can be underwhelming. Hence, many capable people choose other fields instead, leaving teaching to often less able union-protected, overpaid cling-ons. A second problem-- so-called Education degrees from "Teachers Colleges." These are too often jokes academically. You do NOT get what you think that you paid for.
loadstar Wrote: Sep 13, 2012 9:00 AM
Loadstar--

The Liberal Mind vs Facts Wrote:

The teacher's unions were able to get politicians to enact laws requiring "Education Degrees" to work in the schools in exchange for union votes. The fact that these degrees, as you said, are too often jokes academically, means that we got dumbed down educators.

People such as engineers, scientists and business managers who intellectually can run circles around the knowledge of an Education major are not allowed to teach because they have not received the liberal indoctrination and failed psychology theories required for Education degrees.
everyonesfacts4usall Wrote: Sep 13, 2012 11:23 AM
Where exactly are these laws?
Most states have gone the way of requiring a major in a field was my understanding. If anything, education would be a second major or a minor. I am not saying education undergraduate majors don't exist just that they are on the wane.
loadstar Wrote: Sep 13, 2012 8:00 PM
http://www.aei.org/article/education/k-12/grade-inflation-for-education-majors-and-low-standards-for-teachers/

"Ultimately, a sizable fraction of the workforce in the education sector is trained in education departments where evaluation standards are astonishingly low."
everyonesfacts4usall Wrote: Sep 13, 2012 9:10 PM
Those are not the laws but a study on grades in education departments. I challenge your claim about education being a major to get a job and you reply with one about grades. Not the same thing. So where are those laws again?

For instance, in MA one needs a major in a field and to have passed the MA teachers test.
On Monday, Chicago’s 26,000 public school teachers walked out of the classroom and, after a quick stop at Target for red T-shirts, assembled in the Windy City’s downtown Loop to make this crucial point: It’s not about the children. It’s about us.

But this can’t be true!

The motives of teachers unions are always pure and can never be questioned. Unlike other “workers,” teachers are professionals who are never out for themselves. Everything they do is for the children.

Thanks to the Chicago teachers strike, this myth may finally be busted. It’s all too clear...