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Reconciling Roe v. Wade

lfish Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 4:23 AM
No man has ever died in childbirth, but countless millions of women have. Damn right, men should have no input into whether the woman continues the pregnancy or not; it's not their bodies that may be ruined or destroyed by it. Abortion can be performed only during the first three months of pregnancy, so what we're talking about is a three-month-or-less embryo -- and at that stage, the embryo is definitely NOT a human being. It does not have a human heart, a human spine, or anything like a human brain. It's certainly not anywhere near as human as the woman capable of getting pregnant -- and it's life isn't worth hers. --Leslie < Fish
Anominus Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 1:22 PM
"No man has ever died in childbirth, but countless millions of women have."

And yet, no woman will ever have to worry about dying in childbirth unless she has relations with a man. In 99% of pregnancies, this is a consenting relationship.

"Damn right, men should have no input into whether the woman continues the pregnancy or not; it's not their bodies that may be ruined or destroyed by it."

And yet, men are forced to pay for that child for the next 18 years at least. Obviously, men are held responsible, yet they should have no say? So much for sexual equality...

"...embryo is definitely NOT a human being."

According to biology and genetics, it most certainly is alive and human as a distinct organism.
Anominus Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 1:25 PM
"It does not have a human heart, a human spine, or anything like a human brain. It's certainly not anywhere near as human as the woman capable of getting pregnant -- and it's life isn't worth hers."

Your argument is no different than that made by the slave owners of history. You use "personhood," something based only in personal opinion and totally devoid of fact, as a means of discriminating against a particular group of individuals because of their appearance and function.
Gilchrist Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 9:18 AM
Now on the subject of the presence or absence of life. Anti-aborts seem to believe life is established and extinguished in an instant; that living tissue constitutes a human being. I would adopt the Judeo-Xian trilogy of pre-person, person, post-persson (not a letter carrier). We harvest vital organs from the dead for use by the living. What characteristic distinguishes between the two? A common criteria is the presence or absence of spontaneous cerebral cortex activity. I would argue for symmetry, that a fetus is a pre-person with no life to take (despite beating heart) until it develops spontaneous cerebral cortex activity. Even then I would support abortion for eclampsia, ectopic pregnancies, and gross fetal abnormality.
Anominus Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 1:33 PM
"Now on the subject of the presence or absence of life. Anti-aborts seem to believe life is established and extinguished in an instant; that living tissue constitutes a human being."

Believe? Not hardly. We rely on the facts presented by modern biology. Distinct life is identifiable within the womb at the moment of conception - not as a component, but a separate organism. According to modern genetics, this organism possesses unique, human DNA, formed from parts of the genes of its parents. It is not a component of the mother, nor is it a "potential person" - it is a living, growing, human organism.
Gilchrist Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 9:10 AM
While I will not deny a woman the sole determination whether she carries to term or not, I cannot countenancing a woman having the sole determination whether a man will support the child she alone chooses to bear. The man's liability should be limited to the cost of returning her to her original unpregnant state. In fact, if there was a precoital agreement not to conceive, the man should be able to recover stud fees.

Roe v. Wade, the SCOTUS decision that legalized abortion in the United States, marks a dubious 40th anniversary on Tuesday, January 22, 2013.  According to published data by the Guttmacher Institute more than 55 million abortions have been performed during the last four decades. 

Abortion -- and those children who were never born – exist in a place that is primarily out-of-sight and out-of-mind.  Although legally protected, abortion is among the few unspeakables in American society.  Thus, comprehending the impact on American society is even more difficult.  In a sense, it is hard to understand that which you...