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Overreach by Unions in Wisconsin

lefunk01 Wrote: May 25, 2012 8:29 AM
Don't get me wrong I think that unions are worthless for the most part today and teachers should not be allowed to have tenure (not being able to fire someone ineffective at their job is the most ridiculous concept ever) but anyone who thinks that most teachers only work 5 hours a day is as delusional as the unions themselves. Try teaching (not to mention planning, grading and preparing) a classroom full of children most of whom probably have no discipline or structure at home.
Snarkasterous1 Wrote: May 25, 2012 12:59 PM
funk-

One thing good teachers can help students with is reading comprehension. Let's try it, shall we?

From the article, this quote: "...paying full time salaries to teachers who work only nine months a year and spend only five hours a day in the classroom with weeklong holidays, professional development and snow days off."

Hmmm...see any statement that teachers "...only work 5 hours a day?" Nope? That's 'cause no such statement was made. Further, the larger points are the others in the quoted sentence.

Teachers bleat endlessly about their rate of compensation, and the challenges they face. Let's try another thought experiment. Estimate that teachers get 9 weeks off each year. (I'm graciously assuming that ~ 25%...
Snarkasterous1 Wrote: May 25, 2012 1:23 PM
...of the summer is spent preparing for classes.) I've 26 years of professional work experience, post undergraduate degree. Like many/most professionals, I've enjoyed either 2 or 3 weeks' annual vacation. To simplify, let's go with a simple average of 2.5 weeks per annum.

Thus, a teacher, also with 26 years' work experience, has enjoyed (9 - 2.5) * 26, or 169 weeks of vacation that I haven't enjoyed. Thus, as soon as the teachers' unions fund ~ 3.3 years' non-stop vacation for me, to "make me even" regarding vacation, I'll be completely willing to listen empathetically to teachers' bleating about their compensation.

- Snark
Tired in Texas Wrote: May 25, 2012 12:02 PM
Also, teachers get 2 to 2-1/2 mos. off in the summer and 2 to 2-1/2 weeks between semesters; then there's spring break and Thanksgiving week.
loadstar Wrote: May 25, 2012 11:33 AM
Agree with King10 here...the LCD (lowest common denominator) among teachers has gotten VERY low indeed, and unions are a key reason for the dumbing down of standards and the abdication of ANY accountability.

No teacher tenure PERIOD...charter schools...merit pay...REAL accountability
king10 - exposing leftism Wrote: May 25, 2012 9:27 AM
Yes, but you miss the point if that is your focus. Further, it's good teachers that work more not mediocre ones.

Bottom line: Kill unions, kill the frivolous lawsuits, merit pay teachers, and then watch all the grades and student participation increase.
mark4teach Wrote: May 25, 2012 9:36 PM
Teachers cannot force students to do the work. Education is like a three legged stool. It takes the student, parents, and teacher. Most of the time the legs that are missing or that does do their part are students and parents. I've been teaching for 24 years. I've heard every excuse in the book why johnny can't read. Most of the time its because Johnny doesn't want to do the work. Parents make excuses, or rather be friends to their kids instead of parents.

The Wisconsin recall election of Republican Gov. Scott Walker is not going quite like the unions and the Democratic Party expected. Back in 2011, many pundits thought that the governor had overreached when he took on public employee unions, restricting -- though not eliminating -- collective bargaining rights. But he did so because he inherited a state in dire financial shape with a deficit of $3.6 billion and public employee pensions and benefits that threatened to bankrupt the state.

When a Republican-controlled legislature tried to pass legislation to rein in the abuses, Democratic representatives literally fled the state to...