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Is Anyone Hellbound?

layopinions Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 12:16 PM
Here are the questions I would ask instead. 1) Will there be an ultimate judgment and final justice? 2) Does that make life on this earth more or less important? I don't believe in an afterlife. Some would argue that makes this life meaningless since what you do here doesn't determine where you'll spend the rest of eternity. I would say that the existence of an afterlife allows us to ignore injustices by believing that all will be settled in the end. If, however, there is no "final justice" then we need to make things right now. This life is even MORE precious and things like abortion and murder are even more horrendous if this life is all there is.
Shlomo O'Kelly Wrote: Oct 04, 2012 10:58 AM
It is written:" To do justice and judgement is better than sacrifice."
Dean197 Wrote: Oct 04, 2012 10:04 AM
What would make this life meaningless would be if it were a mere instant at the beginning of trillions upon trillions of years of existence.
Anonymous19693 Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 1:24 PM
It really doesn't matter what you believe you could believe that speeding and crashing into a tree will give you milk and cookies, but reality is different. We need the truth. The truth is that God created you, however you are sinner, God is Holy so His nature will not allow for sinners in His presence (this is part of the law), but though PUNISHMENT must be made- "For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thess 5:9)" Jesus paid it for you. Trust Him and you will live.
Anonymous19693 Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 1:24 PM
It really doesn't matter what you believe you could believe that speeding and crashing into a tree will give you milk and cookies, but reality is different. We need the truth. The truth is that God created you, however you are sinner, God is Holy so His nature will not allow for sinners in His presence (this is part of the law), but though PUNISHMENT must be made- "For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thess 5:9)" Jesus paid it for you. Trust Him and you will live.
layopinions Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 3:13 PM
"We need the truth."

The truth about the existence of God is unknowable. It requires "faith," which by definition implies that it cannot be proven.

I commend your faith, but it really doesn't matter what you believe. You could believe that living a righteous life and following Jesus' example will grant you eternal joy in God's kingdom, but reality may be different.

You should try to be a good person and serve others whether or not there is an afterlife.
rebeccajean Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 1:19 PM
According to the Christian bible belief in an afterlife does not allow us to ignore injustices. Although we get into heaven by the sacrifice of Christ alone, the bible clearly states that faith without works is a dead faith. The Holy Spirit within each Christian should spur him on to try and make the world a better place and certainly to touch the lives of those we encounter in our communities.
Bob502 Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 12:39 PM
It does not follow that if there is no afterlife, then we need to make things right now. Without an afterlife it is perfectly rational to think that things never need to be put right. Without an ultimate judgement, "Get all you can, can all you get, and poison the rest," is an entirely plausible, if amoral, attitude.
layopinions Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 3:00 PM
It is plausible until you consider the implications. Rational thought leads to the conclusion that no one wants to live in a world where its every man for himself.

We all want the world to be a better place for our children. We all understand that society would be a lot better for everyone if we all lived by the golden rule.

Now consider the implications of giving your life for someone else. It is already the most heroic thing a person can do - even if they believe they will live on after death. Imagine, now, the depth of someone's love for his fellow man that compels him to give up his life knowing that there is no eternal reward waiting for him on the other side.

There are people and causes I would give my life for.
Beethovens10th Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 12:31 PM
Your monumental blunder in thinking is that we somehow CAN rectify all injustices, both past as future, in this world. This is clearly impossible, especially with people exercising free will.

So, where does that leave you?
layopinions Wrote: Oct 03, 2012 2:01 PM
I wasn't implying that we could, only that we should TRY rather than ignoring injustices because all will be made right in the afterlife.

We can't simply pray for peace and be at peace. We can't just pray for the poor and homeless and feel better about ourselves. We need to DO what we can.

The new documentary Hellbound? has reignited discussion about the perennial topic of hell as well as revealed some very bizarre perspectives.

Kevin Miller, the film’s director, who identifies as a Christian, stated in an interview that, regarding the traditional view of hell as a place of fiery torment, “I don’t see anything in the Bible that would lead me to believe that such a place exists.” Instead, according to Miller, when Jesus talked about hell, he was talking about the here and now.

Really? Jesus didn’t warn about a place of judgment to come? And Director Miller gets his...

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