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Electoral College Is Democratic, Not democratic

layopinions Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 1:59 PM
Can we PLEASE stop using popular vote numbers that were cast under the EC system! Maybe there are reasons to get rid of the EC system, but you can't make an accurate prediction of what the popular vote would look like because some people stay home because they know their vote doesn't count and others stay home because their vote isn't needed for their candidate to win. The current system is probably not the best but a pure popular vote system would have flaws as well, including some that we may not be able to conceive of now. Imagine if California turned a blind eye to fraud. Under the EC system, the Democratic candidate already gets their full compliment of votes but under a popular vote system every illegal vote would count.
layopinions Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 2:09 PM
Also, it doesn't really matter WHERE the candidates campaign - only where they spend their resources.

With today's technology, there is plenty of information available to make an informed decision. You don't have to be in the same room with the candidates to know what they stand for.

While my vote doesn't matter in NY, it's nice that I'm not bombarded with campaign ads aimed at idiots that rely on truth-bending campaign ads to make their decision.

The problem is not with the electoral college system; the problem is with today's voters. Like it or not there are way too many voters who want America to be more socialist. There are way too many people who feel instead of think. Changing the voting system won't fix that.
azeelie Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 6:13 AM
It's interesting how the popular vote becomes so relevant when the Republican Party is on the losing side. Bush barely won it in 2000 against Gore. Just as close as it was this election. Bush barely won it against Kerry. But hey, when it's to the advantage of the Democratic Party it isn't relevant anymore.

The Republican Party is going to find it's going to get very difficult to win any subsequent elections: you don't have the vote of Blacks, Latinos, Asians and young women and your treatment of them repulses people. The Republican Party underestimated what a difference this would make in the way people voted. I won't be insulted by the GOP!

And please, don't get me started on "voter fraud" - go Google "voter fraud debunked".
azeelie Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 6:14 AM
Correction: Bush LOST the popular vote in 2000 against Gore.

In 2000, conservatives were obligated to explain why they supported preservation of the Electoral College even though it produced a victory for their candidate, George W. Bush. In coming elections, their devotion may face a sterner test: Will they favor it if Democrats win the White House even when Republicans carry the popular vote?

Mitt Romney managed to avoid that problem by coming up short across the board. But while Republicans have noticed that the voting public is changing in ways that don't help the GOP, they may not have noticed that the electoral map has also shifted to their clear disadvantage.

Nate...