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I Like Gary Johnson

Laura359 Wrote: Sep 19, 2012 8:34 AM
Third Partiers are simply created for whiners. They don't like what they see, but they don't have the guts or the drive to actually change the system by building a real third party. It takes tons of money and lots of work to create an effective third party. Listen, instead of whining and complaining, get to work. Start at the ground level and build something that would be sustainable. If you aren't willing to do that, then please, please just shut up.
SMyles Wrote: Sep 19, 2012 11:09 AM
Fair enough Laura. I didn't think he was hollywood material in the debate. But then I don't care about that. And it' snot as if he got much time to say anything. I would much rather have him as president than Romney. That said I'll take Romney over the messiah any day. But I don't blame anyone for being fed up with the duopoly running our nation into the ground. I think a collapsing dollar will be the catalyst for real unavoidable economic change. The duopoly will do nothing but continue to try to prolong the inevitable.
Laura359 Wrote: Sep 19, 2012 10:54 AM
I think some of the ideas (and I say some) of the Libertarian Party are good. I'm all for smaller government, flat taxes, auditing the Fed, etc. I'm a strong believer in states rights and believe the Feds have stepped on the toes of the states long enough. I do, however, have a practical streak in me that knows it's better to get the Republican Party to accept some of those ideals rather than try to create a third party. It just won't fly. I view Gary Johnson as a sore loser anyway. He started as a Republican and I saw him during the debates. He didn't wear very well, did he? So, he took his marbles, went home and joined the Libertarians. Couldn't play with the big boys.
Laura359 Wrote: Sep 19, 2012 10:54 AM
I think some of the ideas (and I say some) of the Libertarian Party are good. I'm all for smaller government, flat taxes, auditing the Fed, etc. I'm a strong believer in states rights and believe the Feds have stepped on the toes of the states long enough. I do, however, have a practical streak in me that knows it's better to get the Republican Party to accept some of those ideals rather than try to create a third party. It just won't fly. I view Gary Johnson as a sore loser anyway. He started as a Republican and I saw him during the debates. He didn't wear very well, did he? So, he took his marbles, went home and joined the Libertarians. Couldn't play with the big boys.
SMyles Wrote: Sep 19, 2012 10:40 AM
If you say so. If you don't believe the Libertarian Party and perhaps more importantly, the ideals they advocate continue to gain influence within the GOP and the political spectrum in general then I guess we read different material from different sources. For example, had it not been for libertarian republicans like Paul, I doubt you or most others would have ever heard a peep about the insidiousness of the FED and the need to at least audit it. You would also not hear much about your loss of civil liberties of which so many "conservative" seem to care very little.
SMyles Wrote: Sep 19, 2012 10:27 AM
Sad but true. But I have to agree with Laura that our form of government doesn't lend itself to third parties. And as we know they do everything possible to undermine third parties. Hell, the GOP undermines large contingencies within their party. I'm sure the dems do too. I think we have a better chance of taking over the GOP than winning as a third party. But I also believe nothing is going to change until we have a major economic calamity. How far away that is, no one knows, but it's coming.
Laura359 Wrote: Sep 19, 2012 10:20 AM
Frankly, I don't care whether you give up or not. Just list for us, please, the offices that Libertarians now hold. And kindly explain that, despite your "years" of work, you still have not one registered Libertarian in Congress, where the laws of the land are made. You can't even get your candidate on all 50 ballots. Rail away against the GOP - and then, if you ever do manage to get someone elected to Congress or any other major office, just try to get them to work with you. You'll be joining the ranks of the Green Party and all the dozens and dozens of other third party wannabe's in no time. Why? Because you have no concept of governing. That's why you've consigned yourself to a third party.
Laura359 Wrote: Sep 19, 2012 10:14 AM
That's right - avoid the argument at all costs, since you have nothing to add to it.
Dean197 Wrote: Sep 19, 2012 10:05 AM
We've seen what working within the system gets you. Thanks for all the new LP members!
Dean197 Wrote: Sep 19, 2012 10:04 AM
And years. I've been putting in the years in the LP. We've got Johnson on the ballot in nearly every state despite rules designed to make it easy for the major parties and hard for third parties. I'm watching my party grow while your party shrinks. I'm keeping at it and keeping at it, even when I know another year is going by where we only pick up minor offices. You'd like me to give up, but I won't. But I don't want to take too much credit, the GOP has accompished more to grow the LP than I ever will.
SMyles Wrote: Sep 19, 2012 9:54 AM
Oh, so it's ok to talk now as long as I keep you interested? That's your significant others job, not mine.
Laura359 Wrote: Sep 19, 2012 9:07 AM
Really? Is that what you're advocating? Then what is Johnson's candidacy all about? I'm not talking about people trying to influence the Republican Party. I'm all for working within the system. I'm talking about all the whiners posting here about Johnson, and what changes he would make. Read what I wrote before you comment, please. It would make your posts a little more interesting. Since you couldn't bother to read what I wrote, or you have poor reading comprehension, I guess it points to those third graders, huh.
SMyles Wrote: Sep 19, 2012 8:50 AM
Laura with all due respect you don't have any idea what libertarian leaning folks are all about. Assuming your speaking to a bunch of third graders illustrates your misunderstanding. Many of us have been involved "working at the ground level" for years attempting to influence the republican party and it's working. You don't know what your talking about and have no business telling anyone to shut up.
LAPhil Wrote: Sep 19, 2012 8:36 AM
All political candidates call themselves freedom-lovers, but they are not. Neither major party really opposes government control of the economy or of our personal lives. I'm a libertarian because I see the false choice offered by political left and right: Democrats talk about personal liberty; Republicans talk about economic freedom. But what they do once in power belies their words.

I say we're best off if government just leaves us alone to our peaceful cooperation with whomever we please. Let politicians advocate moral behavior. Let them give to charities. But leave government -- which is physical force -- out of it....