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Republicans Clueless About Minorities

LastStand Wrote: Mar 11, 2013 1:51 PM
So in short, your suggestion is to ignore the majority and pander to the minority? Ostensibly, this would be done by ignoring your principles and focusing on strictly racial/gender/demographic features? And people wonder why conservatives don't trust "establishment" Republicans to win/lose based solely on their principles and are looking to the Tea Party instead? It's because the "establishment" doesn't care about their principles...only in winning. It's about power for power sake. Rachel, you need to understand that it's is quite hard to win at marketing when the majority of the media is in your opponents hands. The GOP put all their "minorities" out front and center during the convention.....and the media edited them out!!!
Jack2894 Wrote: Mar 11, 2013 2:05 PM
SOrry LAst Stand, blaming it on hte media is a lame excuse. CAN you answer my earlier question, which is just what did conservatives think would happen when they challenged Obama's existence as an American citizen?
Navy-baby Wrote: Mar 11, 2013 2:39 PM
The gist of the question of Obama's citizenship was not that he didn't LOOK like an American, but that he didn't ACT like one. His professed desire to make the U.S. into more of a European-Socialist nation was a foreign idea to many. Unfortunately, the MSM totally ignored his radical past--growing up in Indonesia; his college mentors and friends; his Chicago associations with Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers and others. There was a lot to question, but the Birther thing was all that was highlighted. No other president has wanted to "fundamentally transform the United States of America." Previous presidents have embraced our unique nation, and her standing for good in the world.
Jack2894 Wrote: Mar 11, 2013 3:01 PM
You appear fundamentally incapable of getting outside the conservative snow-globe. All the factors you mention would be reasons to not VOTE for teh guy. But the birther fiasco wasn't about not voting for Obama, it was about challenging his very legitimacy as an American citizen. It was challenging his right to be a full participant in American democracy.

Every minority group in America has had that same struggle. As conservatives showed themselves to be irrational, racist, and hate filled toward Obama, they drove those voters toward him.
Navy-baby Wrote: Mar 11, 2013 3:26 PM
Exactly; BUT the main-stream media didn't HIGHLIGHT Obama's radical past--purposely because they wanted the first black president--no matter if he was the BEST choice! And when 97% of blacks vote for a relatively unknown black president, there has to be an element of ignoring the issues, but just voting his color, there.

Did you credit GWB with his appointments of Colin Powell, Condi Rice, and Alberto Gonzalez? If not, why? Doesn't fit the "Republicans are racists" meme? Do you align yourself with Sen. Rubio, Herman Cain, Justice Thomas, Gov. Martinez, or Dr. Ben Carson? I do--but because of their ideology, not their ethnicity. I found Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton huge disappointments, too--and they're as white as I am.
Jack2894 Wrote: Mar 11, 2013 4:08 PM
Yes, I did give credit to GW BUsh for that. ANd if Mitt Romney had earned the same % of the Hispanic vote as Bush, he'd be President today. But the question is why Republicans went down in Hispanic votes and, even more importantly, why they were scalded by Asian voters. Both groups shoudl resonate with REpublican ideas.

You can either choose to accept that conservatives allowed a powerful racist element into their party and rhetoric, as evidenced by the broad acceptance of birther nonsense, or you can ignore it. That choice is yours. But only one of those choices will lead minorities to consider your party.
Mike4166 Wrote: Mar 11, 2013 4:10 PM
Were you born in the US, Jacky boy? If so, then you would be eligible to run for the presidency. Was Dear Leader born in the US? We don't know. Every document that has been put forward (two to date) have been verfiably established as being fraudulent. So where does that leave the nation? More than 4 years now, with someone in the White House, who can not or will not verify his standing as a natural born citizen of the United States, leaving that has been signed off by him as being potentially nonbinding. Pretty substantial, wouldn't you say?
Navy-baby Wrote: Mar 11, 2013 4:23 PM
Perhaps the last election had more to do with the media's attachment to Obama's and the DNC's villifying of Romney: rich, white guy; out of touch; mean to dogs; even attributed a woman's DEATH to his closing of a company--ALL falsehoods...but it did not matter. The media kept up the Romney-mean-guy, Obama-our-savior, drumbeat--even when there was ample evidence that the Obama/Hilary/Rice LIES concerning Benghazi were all to protect his "Osama is dead; Al Qaeda is on the run" campaign speeches. Would the public have voted differently if confronted with the truth?
Jack2894 Wrote: Mar 11, 2013 4:36 PM
Or perhaps you are living inside a conservative bubble. This had nothing to do with the media; it had to do with the fact that conservatives set themselves up as the party of white, wealthy Christians then found out that the majority of America rejected them. Now, when someone comes along and points out this reality, you are in utter denial. The myth about the media allows you to avoid dealign with the reality. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
Jack2894 Wrote: Mar 11, 2013 4:38 PM
And Mike, who writes "Every document that has been put forward (two to date) have been verfiably established as being fraudulent." goes on to prove just how deluded conservatives have become. No document has been established as fraudulent.. In fact, they were established as legitimate. The refusal to accept that is just one reason minorities rejected you so completely.
Navy-baby Wrote: Mar 11, 2013 4:47 PM
I believe you to be in denial. Did you watch any of the Republican National Convention--did you see the celebration of so many minorities (mostly prime-time speakers) and hear their inspiring personal stories. Each touted the individual freedoms given to them by America that has allowed them to succeed from modest beginnings. Republicans want all minorities to be uplifted out of poverty, to become well-educated, and to realize their dreams--to pass it along to the next generation. Not to just sustain them in their currently downgraded conditions as Democrats are comfortable with through handouts and perpetual welfare.
Jack2894 Wrote: Mar 11, 2013 5:04 PM
Yeah I watched the convention. SO what? You are still left with the question of why minority voters rejected you overwhelmingly. If what you say were true, then there would be some serious challenges to the racist screeds one reads here on TH. But there aren't. Peggy Noonan, who wrote a lot of ROnald Reagan's best speeches, once expressed her horror at the level of racism that was accepted within the REpublican party.

And by the way, most minority voters do not believe Republicans want what you say they want. Even if it were true, which I question, you are doing an abysmal job of explaining it.
Navy-baby Wrote: Mar 11, 2013 5:18 PM
How eloquently you diss me; sorry that I don't have the education or talent of Peggy Noonan--who supported Obama the first time, by the way. (I'd say I have more common sense and discernment than she.)

Have you ever read the comments on a FB page: "Americans Against Republicans"? Talk about hatred!! Also, there is the "Being Liberal" FB page--again, totally uncalled-for in language and content.

Did you also read another previous comment of mine today naming the Democrats who famously voted against Civil Rights, or Sen. Byrd who had been a MEMBER of the KKK? You seem to think the Democrats are totally innocent of racism.
greenmaine Wrote: Mar 11, 2013 6:02 PM
Navy baby, and the Right wants to turn us into a libertarian, government-free paradize like Somalia. Both the Left and Right are destroying America.
Navy-baby Wrote: Mar 11, 2013 7:48 PM
Somalia? Really??

How about my wanting to return us to the Rule of Law? My husband is a LEGAL immigrant, and I know first-hand what was required of him to become Naturalized. He had to return to his homeland, have a criminal background check, a health checkup, fingerprinting, and sign up for the draft (Viet Nam era). He was willing to go, too; even went so far as his military physical before his employer asked for a Critical Deferment because he was the only person in the U.S. working on a particular military component for which he had a Secret Clearance. He had to show up in person every year to Immigration to verify his work and home address. He had to be law-abiding during the five-year wait to apply for citizenship. Our...
Navy-baby Wrote: Mar 11, 2013 8:06 PM
...Our government knew who he was, and where he was. That is the right way to assimilate and become an American: first, last, and always, follow the Rule of Law.

Republicans are losing elections in part because they are losing key demographic groups. Some of those groups, like Hispanics, are growing, making them impossible to ignore. 37 percent of the country is nonwhite. Hispanics comprise 16 percent of the population, accounting for half the population growth within the past decade. 51 percent of children born in California are Hispanic, and 46 percent of the population in New Mexico is Hispanic.

Republicans have had difficulty making inroads with Hispanics due to their position on illegal immigration. The left and its other half, the liberal media, have convinced many Hispanics that tough...