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Pick Your Constitutional Poison: Obama and Romney Share a Disdain for Civil Liberties

Larry1764 Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 1:09 PM
But, Milt, you illustrate his point: you say that "suspected" terrorists should be killed. Many an innocent person has been executed (some legally, some by vigilantes, many by hooded criminals) because the executioners THOUGHT they were guilty of something. This is a thorny issue, but at least those who are detained at Gitmo are being kept alive. I don't think it would have been wise to release them after 48 hours (if they had not been charged with something) because of the nature of the jihad being waged: it is very difficult to establish evidence when the war is not with one country or group but many in many countries and there is so little cooperation from even so-called friendly governments to help us ascertain the facts.
Illbay Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 10:52 PM
Many an innocent German and Japanese civilian was killed during World War II.

Collateral damage.

You can limit it, but you won't eliminate it.

NOTE TO CIVILIANS IN PAKISTAN: "Don't ****ing harbor terrorists. And while you're at it, don't STAND close to 'em either!"
Milt37 Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 1:44 PM
Larry,

I think you're conflating the protections that should always be afforded to people living in the U.S. to those not living here. I see nowhere in the Constitution that its rights apply to everyone in the world.

Perhaps there have been a (very) few innocent people legally executed in the US, but, in theory they had access to all their constitutional rights. Vigiliantism and lynchings have never been part of our law, and the perpratators were criminals, themselves.

Even though the war on radical Islam may not be a declared war, it was declared on 9/11/01. Just like bombing raids on Berlin and Tokyo, and then the two atomic bombs in WWII, we don't always have the time to find out who's on our side, and who's not.

During the final presidential debate, the moderator asked Mitt Romney about President Obama's policy of killing suspected terrorists, including U.S. citizens, with missiles fired from unmanned aircraft. "I believe we should use any and all means necessary to take out people who pose a threat to us and our friends around the world," Romney replied. "I support that entirely."

In other words, Romney has no qualms about trusting one man with the power to order the summary execution of anyone, anywhere in the world, whom he deems "a threat to us." This bipartisan disregard for civil liberties is...