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On Roe v. Wade

Lance133 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 11:33 PM
Abortion justified in the case of rape. OK, I have a question. Is the child guilty of rape? Isn't murder as serious a crime as rape? Do we kill a murderers child? What other crimes might a man commit that would suggest we kill his child as punishment?
DCM in FL Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 8:29 AM
How about we ask people who were conceived by rape? I don't believe they have a strong tendency to say, "Sure, I should've been aborted."
Ress Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 11:45 PM
This is not about a child, it is about the rape victim. By what right can society FORCE her to bear the child of a rape? Wherever you stand on this issue, the morality is not easy.
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 11:53 PM
Of course it's about a child. Who said morality was supposed to be easy?
Ress Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 12:11 AM
There are moral conflicts in which you must choose between two evils. Many people, including me, consider enslaving a victim of rape to be the greater evil. Only savage societies (like sharia-based) punish the victim.

Unfortunately that undercuts the whole position that a zygote has the same rights as a breathing person.
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 12:16 AM
Pregnancy is not slavery.
Either you believe in human equality or you don't. Calling it a zygote does not make it any less a member of the human species.
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 12:21 AM
Why should the life of any member of the human species depend on your subjective criteria?
Ress Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 12:25 AM
Of course pregnancy is not slavery. If a woman voluntarily engages in activity that can result in pregnancy, she can be considered responsible for the consequences.

But if the government can force a woman to bear the rape child, what morally stops the government from forcibly impregnating women to provide children for the fatherland?
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 12:29 AM
The fact that forcible impregnation is immoral, of course. No one is suggesting that a rapist is moral. Killing the innocent isn't moral, either.
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 12:31 AM
You are quite right that this is a choice of evils. It is simply that my choice does not kill.
Ress Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 12:32 AM
Okay, if forcible impregnation is immoral, then why is forcible child-bearing following forcible impregnation any different?
Ress Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 12:42 AM
What if your choice kills the woman? Pregnancy is not risk-free for a woman. Where is morality then?
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 12:45 AM
Leaving aside the fact that forcible impregnation was probably not the rapist's intent, we are talking about different things. One is an overt act of brutality. The other prevents an overt act of killing.
Of course, since less than 1% of abortions are from rape, this choice does not arise very often.
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 12:50 AM
Women also die from chosen pregnancy.
What if the abortion kills the woman? Abortions are not risk free for a woman either.
As a matter of fact, abortions are dangerous.
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 12:56 AM
BTW, nowadays rapists mostly wear condoms. DNA, you know.

On this fortieth anniversary, let's pray: For the more than 55,000,000 lives that have been snuffed out by abortion, for the women (and men) who have suffered emotional or psychological trauma as a result of abortion, for those who heal and comfort them, for those who help women choose life, and even for those who think that having a "right" to end the lives of unborn children is something to celebrate.

There are circumstances where abortion may be a sad necessity or justifiable (life of the mother, rape, incest).  But it's hard to see how anyone can feel...