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Socialist or Fascist

Kruelhunter Wrote: Jun 12, 2012 2:11 PM
With all due respect Dr. Sowell I must disagree with your choice of terms. Historically socialism has been, and still is, the control of putatively private industry by government while it is communism that is defined by government ownership of industry. Facism is a coercive methodology used by governments, and too often, social or political movements to establish and maintain control in the business and social arenas. Political correctness is one stark example of facism under this definition while the fallen U.S.S.R. exemplifies state ownership of industry. Russia is currently moving from its democratic period into a reign of socialism that may well culminate in the re-establishment of communism.
Bart56 Wrote: Jun 12, 2012 3:43 PM
K.22 I partly of agree with you. It's my understanding that Socialism is a more general category which includes both Communism and Fascism (and probably some others). I know that up until about the 1970's it was pretty common to use the term socialist interchangeably with either communist or fascist. Since Europe has officially banned fascism (whatever that means), this interchangeability doesn't work any more.

But Sowell's premise is basically correct IMO--fascism is clearly a leftist or collectivist economic arrangement. And while we're at it, China is also clearly a fascist economy (and Obama and many on the left often show envy at their system.)
5Mentarios Wrote: Jun 12, 2012 3:03 PM
"With all due respect Dr. Sowell I must disagree with your choice of terms. Historically socialism has been, and still is, the control of putatively private industry by government while it is communism that is defined by government ownership of industry"

DEAD wrong, and informative of the ignorance of the right. Sowell is correct (only because it only requires a quick look in the dictionary, not because he's not retarded) in his definition of Socialism as state ownership of the means of production. Marx defined Socialism as the stage between Capitalism and Communism where the community takes "imperfect" ownership of the means of production.
senderlein Wrote: Jun 12, 2012 2:29 PM
K22, you might want to consult your dictionary. Fascism is defined as "private economic enterprise under centralized governmental control". Dr. Sowell would never make the mistake of which you accuse him.
PecosPete.38 Wrote: Jun 12, 2012 2:23 PM
So, K.22, is it fair to say that the P/C Nazis & the Word Nazis holding sway in our nation today are
further evidence of Fascism in America? And including this new label, 'hate crimes,' which they like to
hang on certain crimes but not others, depending on which races or genders are involved? More Fascism in America.
It bothers me a little when conservatives call Barack Obama a "socialist." He certainly is an enemy of the free market, and wants politicians and bureaucrats to make the fundamental decisions about the economy. But that does not mean that he wants government ownership of the means of production, which has long been a standard definition of socialism.

What President Obama has been pushing for, and moving toward, is more insidious: government control of the economy, while leaving ownership in private hands. That way, politicians get to call the shots but, when their bright ideas lead to disaster, they...