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Is America Ensnared in an Endless War?

kozzzer Wrote: Feb 08, 2013 11:56 AM
Unfortunately, too much of the debates on drone usage or torture devolves into conversations accusing either liberals accusing conservatives of hypocrisy or vice versa. I enjoy pointing out how many of Obama supporters are blind followers too, but there needs to be a substanative debate about whether the President should have the power to: 1) order torture, 2) order drone strikes within nations we are not at war with, 3) kill American citizens and 4) order the indefinite detention of Americans without trial.
kozzzer Wrote: Feb 08, 2013 12:00 PM
Too many people on both the left and the right agree with drone strikes, torture and NDAA. Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, Obama, Biden, and Hilary all support these projects.

It is really the extreme conservatives (Rand Paul, Justin Amash) and extreme liberals (Kucinich, Susan Collins) who are actually discussing eliminatiing these unconstitutional, immoral policies.
True Conservative! Wrote: Feb 08, 2013 12:39 PM
Yeah, we are ALL against torture ... until are families and neighbors are threatened with death by fanatics. THEN, we become enlightened!
Ryan_M Wrote: Feb 08, 2013 12:46 PM
Yes, that is what the Japanese believe as well during the sainted WWII.
"When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."

So said Richard Nixon in his interviews with David Frost. Nixon was talking about wiretaps and surreptitious entries to protect lives and safeguard national security in a violent and anarchic war decade.

The Nixon haters pronounced themselves morally sickened.

Fast forward to our new century. For, since 9/11, we have heard rather more extravagant claims by American presidents.

Under George W. Bush, it was presidential authority to waterboard, torture, rendition and hold enemy aliens in indefinite detention at Guantanamo.

Under Barack Obama, we don't have a Nixon "enemies list"...