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Ted Cruz Schools Baltimore County Police Chief on Gun Crime

Kizarvexious Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 12:57 PM
Here;s a better question: If having more guns means less crime and murders, why does the US lead all first-world Western countries in gun deaths?
rrggbb Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 10:08 PM
analyze dude:
Q1) do RED states have lower crime/murder than BLUE states ... and why?
Q2) do 'RED' cities (you know what I mean) in BLUE states differ in crime/murder than other combinations and why?

The answer is simple and apparent ... for the same reason we have BHO, JB, HC, and all the other liberal idiots in power.... the voters have (liberalism is) a 'mental disorder'
One for All Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 5:12 PM
Because high population areas where guns are restricted have extremely high gun murder rates per capita. If you took the gun murder rates for CCW areas with the same population density you will see that the gun murder rates per capita are drastically lower. It is these heavy gun control/high population density areas which give the US its high gun murder rate. Your statemnt while some what true is misleadiing.
Buckhuntr765 Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 2:44 PM
It's simple really: Freedom of choice. On a per capita basis, it's just that some evil hearted people choose to use violence. That is also why we lead the world in the number of abortion deaths as well!!
Luscious Lars Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 1:59 PM
One thing to note Kiz, since about 1990, our gun ownership rates have been steadily increasing and have accelerated dramatically since Obama's been in office. However, in that same time frame, violent crime has been steadily declining in almost every area of the nation. In the meantime, Australia and the UK have seen gun ownership decline dramatically, due to gun bans, yet their violent crime rates are on a steady incline. How do you explain these situations if you believe that less guns means less crime? I'll wait for your thoughtful answer.
Kizarvexious Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 2:40 PM
Violent crime is on the rise eh? Sounds like a good Hannitization of the subject so here's some cold, hard facts for you to chew on instead:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Violent-crime-rates-UK-1981-to-2007.png

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/341-360/tandi359/view%20paper.html

I'll wait for your thoughtful reply.
Luscious Lars Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 1:55 PM
Because we have one of the largest populations of underclass gang bangers in the world, who have infested our inner cities with drugs, prostitution, illegal gambling, and violence. We lead most, if not all, first world Western countries in non gun homicides as well. But why do you limit this to just first world western countries. What about third world countries with very strict gun control but very high violence rates, including homicides with guns. Take Mexico for example. Or is Mexico considered a first world Western nation these days?
Steve18 Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 1:34 PM
But here is an even better question. What percanrtage of gun crimes/killings occur in cities and states that have heavy gun control laws? And of those gun deaths, how many are because of huunting accidents/accidental shootings, and how many are in the committing of a crime? So..it seems that the heavy preponderance is the crime side of it. So...why not control the criminals, and the gun deaths will go down, because they will be behind bars. THE GUN DOES NOT DO THE KILLING BY ITSELF. IT NEEDS A HUMAN TO POINT AND PULL A TRIGGER. Over 530 murders in Chicago, and almost 400 in Detroit...0ver 200 in LA. Done by criminals, or law abiding folks? What say you?
tibby2 Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 1:27 PM
Is there higher crime and murder rates in northern or southern states? Is there higher crime and murder rates in cities where Democrats or Republicans have been in control? Is there higher crime and murder rates in cities with large minority populations? Large illegal alien populations? How many mass shootings have occurred in gun-free zones vs places where guns may be lawfully carried?

Can answering these questions identify where the higher murder rates occur that you claim exist within this country? Are there a lower murder rates in countries where individual liberty is curtailed?

You ask one question to arrive at a predetermined answer. I ask many questions to find out what the answers are.
Kizarvexious Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 2:47 PM
Instead of asking nebulous questions that are loaded with implications, take a look at some data:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

Lots of northern, southern, mid-west and western states show high violent crime rates. Sorry but i couldn't break it down by "Democrat-controlled" or race, as conservatives are wont to do.
Kelly90 Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 3:35 PM
You should consult the works of John R. Lott and Gary Kleck. They give excellent statistical information. You can also look at FBI crime stats online. The FBI stats are not as easy to read as they once were but they give the answers you are seeking.

Senator Ted Cruz wonders: If gun control works, why are the cities with the most gun control so violent? Watch and learn.