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Did Freedom Win?

king10 - exposing leftism Wrote: Nov 14, 2012 9:57 AM
So Libertarians, do you come together with conservatives for a common goal or do you take your ball and go home? It's always been the latter, but I'm holding out some hope.
Paulus Textor Wrote: Nov 14, 2012 10:09 AM
That all depends. And this answer is NOT "dodging the argument" (if, as I stated previously, you even consider "you're harassing me, and you only get 1 percent" to even BE an argument).

So, let's try again. Do pay attention. IF there is an ad hoc issue (example: auditing and abolishing the Fed) on which libertarians and conservatives can agree, then by all means, cooperation is appropriate.

But if the call of the question is: "You libertarians must join with us conservatives to elect a candidate who is 95 percent the same as Obama, for the sake of 5 percent in window-dressing differences," then the answer is you are giving us distinctions without fundamental differences.
Paulus Textor Wrote: Nov 14, 2012 10:12 AM
Now, the issue would get more complex IF conservatives would nominate a candidate who is libertarian on a wide range of issues, with a few shortcomings. Let us posit, for example, that conservative Republicans choose to nominate Gary Johnson in 2016 (Johnson being less than an ideal libertarian, but far superior to someone like Romney). In that case, most libertarians would join with conservatives in working for his election.

Hope this clears things up.....
Origanalist Again Wrote: Nov 14, 2012 10:15 AM
I'm NOT a Johnson fan, but he will do as an example.
wmou Wrote: Nov 14, 2012 10:08 AM
I do not mind allying with libertarians, it's the big govt republicans that I do not agree with.
king10 - exposing leftism Wrote: Nov 14, 2012 10:10 AM
I don't know any of those types personally....do you?
wmou Wrote: Nov 14, 2012 10:15 AM
Yes, most of the republicans in DC. Bush was one of the most liberal presidents in history. He'll rank right behind FDR, LBJ, Mr. Obama, and Nixon.
Earl29 Wrote: Nov 14, 2012 10:21 AM
Personally, no, but then I see a lot of them on C-Span.
king10 - exposing leftism Wrote: Nov 14, 2012 10:52 AM
So, if personally, no, then why do libertarians paint with such a broad brush? Think about it.....
Origanalist Again Wrote: Nov 14, 2012 10:01 AM
"but I'm holding out some hope. "

As we are for you King 10.
king10 - exposing leftism Wrote: Nov 14, 2012 10:03 AM
The irony between your response and your handle....very "original"....the lack of self awareness of libertarians and the left is breathtaking.
Origanalist Again Wrote: Nov 14, 2012 10:08 AM
Works both ways King, works both ways......
Origanalist Again Wrote: Nov 14, 2012 10:09 AM
Why don't you try stamping your feet?
king10 - exposing leftism Wrote: Nov 14, 2012 10:13 AM
Origanalist, do you smile at all? Is your position to burn every bridge? That's how you come across....get a bleepin' mirror.....

It's no wonder libertarians lose so much and register so little positive change.

But keep self soothing yourself into your superiority complex. You can think you efforts and cause are so great....but your actual effect so miniscule.
Origanalist Again Wrote: Nov 14, 2012 10:19 AM
Speaking of irony, it's not me stamping my feet and yelling at libertarians.

Maybe you should have a nice warm cup of cocoa. (smile)
Democrats won big last week. So government will continue to grow. Individual freedom will yield.

At least some people with records of supporting liberty were elected: Sen. Jeff Flake in Arizona and U.S. Reps. Justin Amash and Kerry Bentivolio in Michigan and Thomas Massie in Kentucky.

Also, Washington and Colorado voted to allow any adult to use marijuana. (But users beware. Your newfound freedom may be short-lived thanks to that extraordinary human being in the White House -- you know, the one who smoked pot when he was in school. Despite promising that he wouldn't, he has cracked down on pot...