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Is Tougher Border Enforcement a Prerequisite for Comprehensive Immigration Reform?

kgilson Wrote: Apr 02, 2013 12:42 PM
Thanks for the article. A border is an act of war. Libertarians correctly argue we needto focus on reviving legal comity/ free-immigration/non-citizenship track treaties with the Carribean, Canada and Mexico, and eventually the Americas. The US is already in default of the Pan-American free immigration San Lorenzo treaty. For info on people using voluntary Libertarian tools on similar and other issues worldwide, please see the non-partisan Libertarian International Organization @ http://www.Libertarian-International.org ....
FlamingLiberalMultiCulturalist Wrote: Apr 02, 2013 1:24 PM
kg:
"A border is an act of war. Libertarians correctly argue..."

HeeHee! Loonytoons stuff like this and "taxation is violence by the state" is how Libertarians Identify themselves as fringe whack-jobs.

Borders are how a nation defines the limits of its responsibility.
Taxation is how citizens co-operate to enable the govt to provide agreed-upon services.
GustaveMolinari Wrote: Apr 02, 2013 1:34 PM
FLMC - there are Libertarians and then there are anarchists.

Anominus Wrote: Apr 02, 2013 1:35 PM
"Borders are how a nation defines the limits of its responsibility."

And those who violate the border show their disregard for that responsibility (the law).

"Taxation is how citizens co-operate to enable the govt to provide agreed-upon services."

And that co-operation is enforced at the point of a gun - pay up or be punished, whether you agree or not. Of course, you leftist twits always agree with government and are too spineless to actually resist to the point of being forced, anyway.
GodsLaws Wrote: Apr 02, 2013 12:50 PM
I almost thought you made a typo; meaning to write ILLEGALLY CROSSING A border is an act of war.

Open borders is one of the zaniest aspects of what is largely a sound platform for the Libertarian Party.

It's akin to the unilateral disarmament wackos from the 70's. In case you haven't noticed yet, the world is quite highly populated with people who will gladly kill you for a few dollars; terrorists, foreign spies, criminals and just plain vandals.

A secure border is the national version of a locked door on your house. And leaving it unsecured is guaranteed to have the asme result on a national level as leaving your house unlocked will have on your home and family.

Open borders is a recipe for national catastrophe.

The "comprehensive" label would suggest that beefed up border security would be at least one integral part of any final reform package, and rest assured that everyone on all sides of the debate will at least claim that it is.  The real question is whether achieving certain concrete benchmarks will be meaningfully required before other elements of the law are triggered, such as starting the clock on a multi-year path to citizenship for illegals.  Virtually every Republican says yes.  Barack Obama (for now) and Janet Napolitano say no.  Chuck Schumer and other Democrats say maybe-ish.  Plus, preliminary legalization...