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Liberals Panic As They Lose the Gun Narrative

Kenneth L. Wrote: Dec 27, 2012 3:21 PM
mmeinicoff Wrote: What kind of progress is that in building a civilized world? Your presumptive argument amounts to a straw man. Only a world without guns could be "civilized"? Your smug attitude of arrogance is positively sophomoric. Sure it would be great to have no need for guns. If you believe that world is attainable now, take a walk with me through some bad neighborhoods after dark. Near where I live there are reports of "shots fired" every few nights, and home invasions in the better neighborhoods are, at times, almost commonplace. I'll make a deal with you. Get the civilized world happening and I'll surrender my guns to you.
mmelnicoff Wrote: Dec 27, 2012 4:01 PM
A world without guns would be an ideal state, which we are nowhere near. For those who are religioius, the Bible even calls for such a state. I am well aware of the existence of "bad neighborhoods". The point is that Kurt appears to be encouraging people to go buy guns, based on that comment about his wife's friend. People should NOT be encouraged to buy guns, and it is society's function to minimize the perceived need. That doesn't mean that they should be totally banned (can't be banned legally anyway). Smoking is legal, and societally we are doing what we can to discourage the practice. Regardless the cost of gun ownership (security measures due to 300 million guns in circulation) should assessed and paid for by the owners.
deegee Wrote: Dec 27, 2012 6:33 PM
mmelnicoff said: ...the Bible even calls for such a state.

You had better go read your bible again if you are planning on using it as a reference for your stance.

Luke 22:36
KJV: ... and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

This was Jesus commanding his disciples because self-dense is lawful and the world is full of evil people. Jesus commanded them to concealed carry/open carry.
mmelnicoff Wrote: Dec 27, 2012 8:01 PM
Sorry. I am only familiar with the Old Testament...
"They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more." [Isaiah 2:4]
Frank391 Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 7:34 AM
You couldn't be more wrong. It is not societies function to encourage anything other than good behavior. And what tools I have in my woodshed is none of your business.
Frank391 Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 7:35 AM
Yes, and God sent his son to correct our misreading of the Old Testament.
nimh2 Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 2:39 PM
Those who beat their swords into plowshares shall plow for those who don't. . .
nimh2 Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 2:39 PM
Those who beat their swords into plowshares shall plow for those who don't. . .
When you argue for a living, you can tell how an argument is going for you. The evidence and my gut both tell me that the liberals have lost control of the gun control narrative.

Not for lack of trying – it was almost as if they were poised to leap into action across the political, media and cultural spectrum the second the next semi-human creep shot up another “gun free zone.” This was their big opening to shift the debate and now it’s closing. They’ve lost, and they are going nuts.

The evidence is all around that...