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Do Gun Control Laws Control Guns?

Kenneth L. Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 12:13 PM
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: "Nowhere in the history of the second amendment was this argument made as a property issue. The intent of the amendment is to ensure the right of the people to be armed to fend off a tyrannical government. No more, no less." dog, I never claimed that the founders, the intent, whoever/whatever, were making the property right case. I said an argument can be made. And just for the record, you're wrong about "no more, no less." An argument was made at the time that self-defense was a reason for the right, as well as security of the state (i.e., militia). In fact, the Pennsylvania constitution has a right to bear arms that specifically mentions self-defense.
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 12:22 PM
Well, I am rarely wrong.

To "fend off a tyrannical government" falls under self-defense as does protecting the common defense. Brevity demanded what I wrote.

This is simply not a property issue. Arguments that it is somehow a property issue only serve to weaken the truth that this is a Constitutional right and attacks upon it are attacks upon the Constitution itself. As such, these attacks are sedition, in my view.

Let me be perfectly clear: I am the NRA.
Kenneth L. Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 12:15 PM
I don't mean to be argumentative. Am I missing your point? Do you not believe that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed? Do you not believe that regardless of history, precedent, original intent, militia language, etc. the right is unequivically protected against infringement?

I'm sorry if I've been obtuse.
The gun control controversy is only the latest of many issues to be debated almost solely in terms of fixed preconceptions, with little or no examination of hard facts.

Media discussions of gun control are dominated by two factors: the National Rifle Association and the Second Amendment. But the over-riding factual question is whether gun control laws actually reduce gun crimes in general or murder rates in particular.

If, as gun control advocates claim, gun control laws really do control guns and save lives, there is nothing to prevent repealing the Second Amendment, any more than there was anything to prevent repealing the...