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Report: Frickin’ Fracking Could Ruin Everything for Leftist Activists

Ken325 Wrote: Feb 15, 2013 11:16 PM
What exactly are you right about Ransom? You have said nothing about the environmental impact of fracking. You've put forth economic arguments. You clearly do not have the slightest comprehension of environmentalism. Read this slowly so that you may understand: You cannot put a price environmental concerns. No amount of money, economic development, or job creation is worth harming/destroying the earth's natural state. I'm not a big anti-fracking guy but there are several environmental concerns I am very serious about - and economics are not part of the equation. If you think you are going to win environmental arguments with economic outcomes, you simply do not understand the concern of environmental activists.
inkling_revival Wrote: Feb 16, 2013 6:56 PM
"You cannot put a price [on] environmental concerns."

Sure you can. Polluted rivers can be cleaned. Dangerous chemicals can be handled safely. And when it comes down to it, a certain number of lives lost voluntarily in dangerous pursuits (like, for example, driving automobiles) can be tolerated for the benefits obtained in a dangerous manner.

As to the dangers of fracking, they are well-understood. Fracking is not new; it's just improving, and has been coupled with new, horizontal drilling techniques to vastly boost the productivity of known natural gas reserves. Fracking is considerably less dangerous than deep mining, and the techniques to prevent ground water contamination are sound.
sjp1 Wrote: Feb 19, 2013 10:43 PM
You're such a smart person I'm sure it hasn't escaped your notice that steel and cement expand differently. It also shouldn't have escaped your attention that the pipes are alternately heated and cooled through the process. Cement also does not last forever. The question then becomes not If the well will leak, but when. Five years? Ten? Leaks have already happened in numerous wells, and in many areas. It's a documented fact. Therefore the techniques are not sound, and the dangers are also not well understood. Slick water Hydraulic Fracturing is a new process. The waste water is a new waste water. The effects aren't known.
NewJAl Wrote: Feb 16, 2013 12:06 AM
Fracking has been done since 1948, for oil.
'Promised Land' was funded by Middle East oil interests.
Does neither of these facts grab anyone's attention?
sjp1 Wrote: Feb 19, 2013 10:39 PM
Slick water hydraulic fracking is a new process.... even the gas and oil companies will tell you this.

A new report from the UK research team at Price Waterhouse and Cooper confirms what we knew all along: We’re right and they’re wrong.

Really wrong; once-in-a-lifetime, disastrously wrong if grading on the scale the rest of us are subject to.

Grading on the liberal scale, however, it’s just normal, everyday, run of the mill errors in judgment, math, worldview, physics and fluid mechanics that liberals deal with all the time in an effort to “wish” the world to Utopia while their leaders are busy creating Dystopia for all but a select few.

This latest discovery that...