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The War on Drugs: Because Prohibition Worked So Well

Keith305 Wrote: Aug 29, 2012 9:38 PM
Look at what you prohibitionists are saying: If we legalize drugs, more people will use drugs and there will be more addicts driving on the roads. Okay, that's your point of view. However, if anything, our (albeit limited) experience shows us otherwise. Portugal legalize (I believe) most all drugs. Drug addiction went down. Holland allows marijuana and it doesn't seem to have effected their addiction rates. Alright, nothing conclusive yet, but food for thought. Now, what are the costs of what you can only guess at might be the cure. 1. Drug lords creating mayhem everywhere from Columbia to Peru and now Mexico straight onto US streets. (cont.)
Keith305 Wrote: Aug 29, 2012 9:43 PM
2. Billions of dollars leaving the country every year that goes right back into funding the thug.
3. Murder and crime rates through the roof as dealers fight for turf and addicts go out looking to steel money any way they can get it.
4. The Taliban having a constant source of income through opium sales to better kill Americans in Afghanistan.
5. Government intrusions in what should be a God given right to do as we please (even if it means--yes--killing yourself with drugs.)
6. Prisons filled to capacity costing us billions of dollars.

And these are just off the top of my head. So you guys have a feeling that things might get worse if we legalize drugs? Do you really realize what you're saying?
gsw Wrote: Aug 29, 2012 10:24 PM
Just out of curiosity how does legalizing (decriminalizing) drugs affect drug production in Afghanistan? They have been a world producer of opium for centuries. and would have a much larger market given complete legalization. would they not? After all following prohibition, alcohol consumption skyrocketed and hasn't abated since.
Keith305 Wrote: Aug 29, 2012 10:33 PM
First of all, you'll have to cite your source on alcoholism skyrocketing after prohibition. And (presumably) you're a conservative. You understand economics. If you limit a products availability, the price soars. And if you create a market with a single supplier (Afghanistan) prices do the same.

There is a ton of money in opium BECAUSE it is illegal. Take away the illegality and its just another commodity product. Heck, we could grow it in greenhouses right here in America.
gsw Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 3:21 AM
No - you are showing economic ignorance again - there is a ton of money because the demand is high! You have no production data to support an argument that anyone else is going to be able to supply it cheaper - and the Afghan market share may actually increase inspite of your claim that greenhouses (which don't seem sufficient now) will be sufficient then - same with coffee, tea, etc and hundreds of other commodities
Keith305 Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 7:27 AM
You don't require a cotton belt to produce sufficient quantities of opium. What, do you think you eat opium like breakfast cereal? Afghanistan (effectively the sole supplier of opium for the entire world) cultivates an estimated 131,000 hectares, that's an area roughly 20 X 25 miles. America's share (population wise) of that area would be about 5 X 5 miles. How long would it take for US entrepreneurs to match that? About as long as it took to write this sentence.

And it was Pakistan that was the greatest supplier of opium up until they eradicated it, which is when Afghanistan took up the sole role.

Guy, you could really use a broader view of the world.
Mike23 Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 8:56 AM
The price is artificially high due to prohibition and the Black Market, not the special properties or rarity of the substance. How'd you miss that?? Your bias got in the way.
Keith305 Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 10:01 AM
You know, Mike, I treat other commenters the way they treat others. And this guy has no problem being rude. So here's my true assessment of the man:

1. Small minded,
2. Self-righteous,
3. Dictatorial.
4. Ignorant.
gsw Wrote: Aug 31, 2012 3:42 AM
Again you are just making up economic data. The price is always affected by market forces - opiates also compete with cocaine as various drugs of choice and causes ups and downs in the market as does weather .And as stated previously (why would you not know this?) the LEGAL demand for opiates is currently 5 times greater than current supply - do you have any idea what that means? Of course you don't!
gsw Wrote: Aug 31, 2012 3:42 AM
Wow - you really don't know what you are talking about do you? While Afghan is worlds primary source of opiates, Mexico and Columbia is US major supplier along with cocaine. The estimated world wide need for legal opiates is currently five times greater than current world prodction - where do you think opiates come from - a cereal box.
Forty years ago, the United States locked up fewer than 200 of every 100,000 Americans. Then President Nixon declared war on drugs. Now we lock up more of our people than any other country -- more even than the authoritarian regimes in Russia and China.

A war on drugs -- on people, that is -- is unworthy of a country that claims to be free.

Unfortunately, this outrage probably won't be discussed in Tampa or Charlotte.

The media (including Fox News) run frightening stories about Mexican cocaine cartels and marijuana gangs. Few of my colleagues stop to think that this is...