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The Historical Jesus

Kati in PA Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 6:10 PM
Sorry, of your list only points 3 and 6 could remotely be considered historical facts. The others are completely valid articles of faith, but hardly fact.
Dean197 Wrote: Mar 08, 2013 12:40 PM
And all of those sources heard it from Christians. None were contemporary. When someone tells a war story, you humor them. If you're writing a book about WWII, you talk to other veterans and only put in the parts they all agree on. Back then, they didn't use that standard much.
Dean197 Wrote: Mar 08, 2013 12:38 PM
Claims stand or fall on their own merits. If his teachings were sound, they should be followed no matter who he really was.
Kati in PA Wrote: Mar 08, 2013 11:14 AM
Thanks Ken, I'll check them out.
Ken6226 Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 9:26 PM
Sorry for the triple post - LOL! This website is being cantankerous tonight!
Ken6226 Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 9:25 PM
"I'm sorry if I offended, that wasn't my intention."

No offense taken. If this subject does interest you, I highly recommend "More Than a Carpenter", by Josh McDowell, or "The Case for Christ", by Lee Strobel.
Ken6226 Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 9:25 PM
"I'm sorry if I offended, that wasn't my intention."

No offense taken. If this subject does interest you, I highly recommend "More Than a Carpenter", by Josh McDowell, or "The Case for Christ", by Lee Strobel.
Ken6226 Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 9:25 PM
"I'm sorry if I offended, that wasn't my intention."

No offense taken. If this subject does interest you, I highly recommend "More Than a Carpenter", by Josh McDowell, or "The Case for Christ", by Lee Strobel.
Ken6226 Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 9:23 PM
Even secular sources acknowledge that a man named Jesus existed, who was said to have performed miracles and was widely reputed to be the Messiah. They also acknowledge that He was put to death on a cross. Early Jewish sources (non-Christian) acknowledge that His body was placed in a tomb, and that His body mysteriously disappeared from the tomb. None of the alternate theories for the empty tomb are sufficient.
Kati in PA Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 7:18 PM
Sorry, I'm unaware of the evidence, but curious. Could you point me in the right direction?
Kati in PA Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 7:17 PM
I'm sorry if I offended, that wasn't my intention. I should have said facts and faith are not necessarily the same.

Somethings can be objectively proven, others cannot, but that does not mean they aren't true. By definition, the adherents of any faith believe their tenets to be true, but without separate confirmation, others will have doubts.
Ken6226 Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 7:07 PM
Ah, but there is historical evidence for Jesus' resurrection.
Beethovens10th Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 7:06 PM
So, are Christians playing mind games, Kati? Are we forcing ourselves to believe in the equivalent of Santa?

If "belief" and "reality" don't intersect in a Christian's life, then one of them is counterfeit.
Kati in PA Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 7:03 PM
I'm not suggesting a Christian should think otherwise. I'm just saying that something believed true as a matter of faith is not the same thing as a fact.
Ken6226 Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 6:54 PM
But if Jesus actually rose from the dead, then one should take His claims seriously.

Every once in a while, we hear a false charge. A charge that has significance during this Lenten season of 2013.

It’s an old lie that seems to keep resurfacing. The accusation is that supposedly there is no historical reliability to Jesus as a person.

In other words, we supposedly can’t know for sure that He even existed historically.

That is so false. For example, Will Durant, the great historian who wrote the series, "The Story of Civilization,"noted in the volume, "Caesar and Christ," that if the same criterion by which some philosophers claim Jesus didn’t really exist as an historical...