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Winning After Losing on Gay Marriage

kansascase Wrote: Apr 01, 2013 11:04 AM
Respect and tolerance are an important part of the basis for this Country. We have been a melting pot for all faces, all Faiths, and all other individual choices. I support marriage between one man and one woman. It does have a Biblical basis, but, that is not why I support it. The creation of a family is probably one of the strongest alliances that most of us enjoy. It also supports the society in which we live. We were designed to procreate and to have progeny. I would accept, and hopefully, the Republican Party would accept that those parties that are committed to each other, and have entered into a civil union be allowed the financial benefits of traditional marriage. I believe that gay individuals would accept this arrangement.
yankette Wrote: Apr 01, 2013 11:10 AM
Gay individuals - as you put it - will not accept your suggested arrangement. It's been offered before, numerous times, even in Cali. It always gets shot down because that's not truly what they want.
DCM in FL Wrote: Apr 01, 2013 11:42 AM
That's because they don't really care about marriage benefits. What they want is an official label saying "normal."
Jack2894 Wrote: Apr 01, 2013 11:48 AM
CAn't have that. Normal is a statistical concept and homosexuality doesn't fit within the "normal" parameters.
flfan Wrote: Apr 01, 2013 11:49 AM
you are correct. Also, if they get "What they want" with the courts ruling in their favor, they will not be as satisfied as they think. Why? Because what they really want is acceptance. Man's law may make them legal, however, God's law will not change and I will not go against my beliefs. So, as a Christian, I've not hated, been discriminatory, abusive or anything like it and will remain the same but you will never get me to accept your lifestyle and that will be your sad reality for that is what you want most.
Tommy_Maq Wrote: Apr 01, 2013 11:59 AM
" That's because they don't really care about marriage benefits. What they want is an official label saying "normal."

You don't get to choose other people's positions for them.

The issue is the right to contract, and have that contract protected and arbitrated in the courts, obviously.

Changing the question only makes sense when you know you can't address the real question, or IOW, when you know you've lost on the real question.

As a lawyer, I sometimes have to deliver news that clients don’t want to hear. Here’s some for conservatives. The gay marriage fight is over. It is here to stay, and conservatives – whether for it, against it or just tired of hearing about it – need to coolly and dispassionately figure out just how we are going to win going forward.

This is not a judgment about its pros and cons. We’re past that. None of it matters anymore. This is about dealing with reality. Whether the fight ends with a Constitution-twisting Supreme Court ruling or after years or...