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Killing The Goose

jturning Wrote: Nov 20, 2012 12:14 PM
Unions are usually brought in by the bad employees who feel unjustly persecuted. Note for business management to get rid of your dead weight in the first place before they reach out to the union. All unions do for employees is steal some of there wages while setting up a system that rewards seniority over merit, thereby making the union an enemy of the achieving employees that work hard for their employer. And to throw insult to injury the employees of the union fill the heads of the members with Marxist rhetoric to manipulate them into being union drones. Unions today are an evil parasite that will eventually kill the host.
Brian953 Wrote: Nov 20, 2012 3:06 PM
Unions are not brought in by the initiative of any employees. Unions hunt for situations they can exploit, and insinuate themselves through gullible employees
Chris from Kalifornia Wrote: Nov 20, 2012 3:42 PM
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. You may not think employees hunt down unions and I happen to know that they do. I worked at a plant where some of the people who weren't as productive with their time contacted a union and we ended up having a vote on it. The majority of the employees voted No. We all got raises and the troublemakers ended up without raises again. Eventually they left probably to cause trouble elsewhere.
wtmoore1 Wrote: Nov 20, 2012 2:05 PM
Not so about bad employees being proponents of unions. In my experience, unions are more of a response to poor management than poor employees.

My mother is a public school teacher, and a very skilled one at that--she has 3 graduate degrees and 30 years of experience in curriculum building and gifted education. She has found that in the last ten years her support for our local teacher's union has grown, as the administration has shown itself increasingly unable or unwilling to evaluate teachers in any meaningful way.

With a lack of objective evaluation, but a call for increased accountability, such as state legislatures that are calling for more merit-based pay and benefit structures, protection for rank-and-file employees is critical.
Reginald10 Wrote: Nov 20, 2012 2:33 PM
But teachers' unions are uniformly AGAINST "objective evaluation" of teachers. Parents (usually) want the best education for their kids, and express that by voting in legislatures and school boards that will weed out poorer teachers. If the rank-and-file need protection from being "weeded out", your school must be in bad shape.

BTW: if I did a poor job for my employer, I'd be out on my backside. Why should teachers be any different?

Killing the goose that lays the golden egg is one of those old fairy tales for children which has a heavy message that a lot of adults should listen to. The labor unions which have driven the makers of Twinkies into bankruptcy, potentially destroying 18,500 jobs, could have learned a lot from that old children's fairy tale.

Many people think of labor unions as organizations to benefit workers, and think of employers who are opposed to unions as just people who don't want to pay their employees more money. But some employers have made it a point to pay their...