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Rape Survivor: A Call Box Above My Head While I Was Being Brutally Raped Wouldn't Have Helped

jsaturley Wrote: Feb 21, 2013 3:05 PM
Based on statistics, its much more likely that she would've been shot if she had pulled the gun on her assailant.
mikimama Wrote: Feb 25, 2013 11:27 PM
What statistics? I am a rape survivor BECAUSE I fought back and was able to get away from my attacker and hide until he left the area. Even though I learned to handle firearms properly at six years of age and am an excellent marksman, I was unarmed at the time of this rape. I guarantee you no one would take my gun away from me. I take umbrage to your statement because it implies that women are not capable of protecting themselves. Civilian women should be unarmed because we're women??? Yet, we have been deemed fit to fight in combat next to our male counterparts. What's wrong with this picture?
jsaturley Wrote: Mar 08, 2013 4:05 PM
Jesus... Can you people read?!?! The study I'm referencing is posted above.

How you rationalized that I was insinuating that women cannot protect themselves is beyond me. If anything, I'm insinuating that women don't need a gun to protect themselves because alternatives are available.
WoodyTX Wrote: Feb 25, 2013 1:37 PM
Then by all means, let's take that option off the table! We wouldn't want people making their own decisions; that sounds too much like liberty!

Can you cite those statistics? Are they for black belts, or just the general population?

Having actually had quite a bit of experience with combatives and pistol training, I can tell you that it's damned difficult to take a gun from someone without getting shot, unless you're using movies and TV as your baseline.
jsaturley Wrote: Mar 08, 2013 4:02 PM
The study I'm referencing is posted above.
jvaught Wrote: Feb 24, 2013 5:20 PM
Based on statistics, it's also true that without a gun when your assailant has one your life and well-being are squarely placed on the good graces of your attacker!!!
jsaturley Wrote: Mar 08, 2013 4:01 PM
I don't understand. Check your grammar...
redneck8 Wrote: Feb 21, 2013 7:13 PM
Based on what to share them? FBI? nope
redneck8 Wrote: Feb 21, 2013 8:49 PM
Guns Prevent 3,600 Rapes a Day
The latest prisoners surveys estimate that 3,600 rapes a day are never attempted because the victim either showed a gun, said she had a gun, or the rapist though the victim had a gun for some other reason.
jsaturley Wrote: Mar 08, 2013 4:00 PM
How about referencing a study that hasn't been published by a right-wing news source, like the non-partisan study I posted above?
DevinDenver Wrote: Feb 21, 2013 3:46 PM
Please cite these statistics. Oh, and here is a statistic for you - there was a 100% probability that she could not legally protect herself with a firearm on that campus.
jsaturley Wrote: Feb 21, 2013 5:55 PM
Here ya go:
You're right - she could not have legally protected herself with a firearm on that campus. But, she could have legally protected herself with a legal weapon such as mace, on that campus and there would've been a 0% probability that would've mistakenly killed an innocent bystander.
mmartinez Wrote: Feb 21, 2013 6:20 PM
You have no common sense in my honest opinion. I've served in the Military Police for 8 years and in corrections on the civilian state level. I know for a fact criminals like to target "easy prey" which most consider schools and family entertainment establishments. The fact is laws will never protect us from criminals. Also mace is a horrible example, mace doesn't affect 90% of criminals, it's just pepper spray, and a lot of cases are out there where people trying to use it spray themselves by accident, so try OC, which is expensive and the same problem of lots of people aren't extremely affected by it, and you don't have to see to attack someone you already have ahold of. So what now?
mmartinez Wrote: Feb 21, 2013 6:34 PM
Also those statistics don't prove anything. Last time I checked, if someone armed is trying to rob you or attack you with a gun being involved in the assailants hands, and then the victim pulls a gun, oh wait, the criminal will shoot. It's futile to use a statistic like that because it's just trying to create this illusion that guns are dangerous for defense, the truth is a gun against a gun is a safer bet for me than him with a gun and me without, might I get away without being shot. Yes, but he could still kill me either way, so I'd rather be able to shoot back.
dkmfan Wrote: Feb 22, 2013 12:45 AM
Mistakenly killed an innocent bystander in an empty parking lot 50 feet away from an empty campus police station? You've got to be kidding me. Also, you need to read the conclusion section carefully. "Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures." In other words, proper training, which is required in Nevada to get a concealed weapons permit, has a direct impact on the probability of success in such an encounter. The study was also done in a high crime urban area. Reno, Nevada is hardly Philadelphia.
jsaturley Wrote: Mar 08, 2013 3:57 PM
No, I'm not kidding... Just because it was percieved that no one was in the area doesn't mean no one was within striking distance.
You can get a concealed weapons permit on-line without any practical training. Just because you have a CC permit, doesn't mean you're undergone the proper training.
KentuckyRebel Wrote: Mar 21, 2013 1:09 PM
Your liberal god Obama claimed that if he could save just 1 life by passing his idiotic anti gun law that it would be worth it, well what if 1 life could have been saved if she had carried a gun wouldn't that be worth it? If you don't understand this reasoning go pray to your god obama for it...
KentuckyRebel Wrote: Mar 21, 2013 1:12 PM
I suppose you live your life by a whole lotta "what ifs" don't you? I could go on all day long about "what if" but i refuse to live my life by that. Carrying a gun makes ME safer, period. If you don't like them then don't carry them, but you have no right to stop me from carrying one.

Amanda Collins is a young rape survivor. While in college in 2007, she was raped 50 feet away from the campus police department office at the University of Nevada-Reno and was lucky to get out alive. Her attacker was James Biela, a serial rapist who raped two other women and murdered another. He attacked her at gun point in a gun free zone. At the time of the attack, Collins was in possession of a concealed weapons permit but was not in possession of her firearm due to university policies prohibiting carrying concealed weapons on campus. She was also a...