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Christianity is Compatible with Ayn Rand

jpryce Wrote: Sep 10, 2012 7:11 PM
Speaking as an Objectivist, I genuinely appreciate the effort, Katie. But, I almost didn't even click this article, knowing what you would probably say. Rand herself did acknowledge that if any religion were compatible with her philosophy, it would be Christianity. She went on to say, however, that it is not. Christianity, like all religions, relies on faith. Faith means belief without basis; you don't believe because it makes sense, or because there is evidence, you must believe without basis. This is what Issac Newton was talking about when he said "I frame no Hypotheses". Objectivism has as its foundations human sense experience as the basis of all knowledge, which it is, and thus disallows any room for faith.
Joycey Wrote: Sep 10, 2012 8:52 PM
Ayn Rand is a fallible human being. God is much smarter. Read His words.
bgmk Wrote: Sep 10, 2012 8:22 PM
JP, you are full sheite!

My belief in CHRIST "has as its foundations human sense experience as tyhe basis of all knowledgee of Christ."
What you are doing is making up a Straw Man definition of "Faith" and Disallowing it.
Your problem is apply to ME YOUR definition of what constitutes EVIDENCE. Absence of evidence TO YOU, is NOT absence of evidence to ME. I can be, as my Autistic son is, perfectly aware of things opaque and apparently "absent" to you much as I discern music "absent" to the Tone Deaf and Shades "absent" to the color blind. My Faith in God is Totally "Objective" in that sense as it is based, by YOUR definition, in my Human Sense Experience. It is YOU who insist that all "sense experience" must be Materially Measureable.
bgmk Wrote: Sep 10, 2012 8:25 PM
One would think Science itself would tell you that the CURRENT IN-ability to "measure" something is IN NO WAY indicative of whether or NOT IT EXISTS in REALITY. Einstein replaces Newton, is replaced by Quantum Physics and the search for the "God Particle" and Mem"brain" Universes.
You're as Dumbaszed as Hume's Equitorial Savage who insisted Icebergs could NOT exist because water never got cold enough to freeze in HIS world.
Tell it to the Titanic.
manzana Wrote: Sep 10, 2012 7:34 PM
More faith is required to be an atheist thatn to be a Christian.
z Wrote: Sep 10, 2012 7:43 PM
"If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense.
z Wrote: Sep 10, 2012 7:44 PM
"If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.” - Bertrand Russell
z Wrote: Sep 10, 2012 7:49 PM
How much faith does it require to NOT have faith (belief) that teapot?

Stupid question, right?

This is the equivalent of your supposition.
Tom838 Wrote: Sep 10, 2012 8:25 PM
That is absurd. Atheism is simply a default position in the absence of evidence for a god.
The burden of proof is on the believer.
bgmk Wrote: Sep 10, 2012 8:31 PM
For someone to doubt it is reasonable. But what if YOU had, unbeknownst and undocumented by anyone, launched that China Teapot to that orbit decades ago and KNOW it is there by YOUR experience. While you cannot "prove" it to anyone, unless they Trust your Truthfullness, the REALITY is that it IS There. For all the Rationality of Disbelief it is STILL in DISHARMONY with REALITY in that case.
Again, absence of evidence to OTHERS is NOT evidence of Absence and NOT necessarily absence of evidence TO ME. MY reality is under NO obligation to play by YOUR PERSONAL rules of evidence.
z Wrote: Sep 10, 2012 9:04 PM
It sounds like you really DO belong in (Russell's) Tea Party.

Increasingly, priests and pastors are preaching that socialism (in the name of “social justice”) is Christ-like. In truth, capitalism, not socialism, reflects Christian values. I think Christians would be less likely to embrace socialism if they understood that the economic philosophy of Ayn Rand is compatible with Christianity.

‘Social Justice’ Evolves

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