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Rewriting History: New "Gay Friendly" Bible Published

JPK2 Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 4:30 PM
Martin Luther dropped 7 books out of the Bible. What's the difference if gays drop out a few references? Luther had a problem with Purgatory, and gays want to rationalize sodomy.
inkling_revival Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 7:33 PM
Ah, a Catholic.

No, my good, Roman Catholic brother in Christ, Luther did not drop books out of the Bible; he chose the western version of the canon over the eastern version. And he did not omit them, he just published them separately from the known, canonical works -- just like Jerome did in the 5th century.
jkash1776 Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 7:56 PM
Hmmm. Assuming the gender is not always wise. :-) Excellent expansion on information however thank you. :-)
JPK2 Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 12:47 PM
And it just so happens that about every other Protestant sect did the same. Again, why can't gays do the same? After-all, Luther was just a excommunicated heretic. From small beginnings...
jkash1776 Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 7:24 PM
And Luther actually never intended to break away from the church and never stopped believing in Mary and in the Eucharist, while the mobs who took his error and ran with it ....brought us the society that is so inclusive and God hating that our underage kids get to be sodomized behind closed doors (in TEXAS of all places it's legal) because NAMBLA has a huge fan base in D.C. and our courts throughout the nation.
Meanwhile, the teachings of Christ have yet to be proved anything but 100% beneificial to any human being on the planet who believes that love, REAL love means the golden rule AND loving God before all else. Self-love has been SUCH a winner for the nation hasn't it? Me Me Me Me (Obama's theme song that he gargles to every day)
tgwWhale Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 6:22 PM
Luther didn't (strictly) "drop 7 books from the Bible." He did use the short (Jewish) list for his Old Testament rather than the longer list that Western Christians had used for over a thousand years. But the longer list used by Catholics was not made absolutely official until the Council of Trent (1560's), that is, after Luther; so in that sense, Luther didn't "drop" them.

The 7 funky books that the Catholics use that Protestants don't either were not written in Hebrew, or in some cases, were written in Hebrew but the original had been lost. Jews required a Hebrew original,and Luther used the Hebrew list.

And yes, Luther did not like some of the stuff in the 7 funky books, and that undoubtedly encouraged him not to use them.
jkash1776 Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 8:00 PM
'funky'. Let me guess who your experts were that told you this. Your new gods. How very contemporary of you.
Read a little more on Luther and read a little from tthe Catholic side and their scientifically rigorous reference to all the books in the bible.

And it's funny how you bible only folks tend to drift over to great philosophers too...OUR folks, dontcha know. You often use outside sources to prove your biblical proof...but you never like to look up the folks who actually BROUGHT you the Bible, Christ's only church, Him being the head, our being the body.
jkash1776 Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 8:02 PM
And WHERE in the Bible does it say only to read the Bible.

And John 6?

I"m not trying to humiliate you, because studying the Bible can never be bad, but using it to slam Catholics is never good. This division is what allows the enemy to ruin nations while we bicker.
JPK2 Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 12:44 PM
So we should accept the Word according to Luther? Then why can't gays do the same?
bibleman KJV Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 5:03 PM
no such thing as purgatory and you can't rationalize sin
tgwWhale Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 6:33 PM
Purgatory is not in the Bible, but prayer for the dead is (2 Mc 12:43-45, one of the "7 funky books"; and almost certainly I Cor 15: 29).

The older way of picturing eternal life was to see it in terms of a different time, a new age: thus if Uncle Joe died, we have some time to pray for him before the resurrection. This is the image behind 2 Mc 12:43-45.

Around New Testament times, a new way of picturing eternal life came out: eternity as a different "place" (heaven or hell). Thus the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Lk 16:19-31 -- they go to reward or punishment when they die and don't have to wait for the end of the world. (CONTINUE)
tgwWhale Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 6:38 PM
(CONTINUED)

But the tradition of prayer for the dead had already been firmly established. So Purgatory is added to the picture, so that we can still do good for Uncle Joe after he died. Purgatory is a logical conclusion based on the ideas that reward or punishment follows immediately upon death, and yet prayer for the dead is effective.

There is an old saying (Latin): "lex orandi, lex credendi" -- "The law of prayer [is] the law of belief." Much Christian doctrine is the result of how we pray. The doctrine of Purgatory arose from the far more ancient practice of prayer for the dead.
jkash1776 Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 7:25 PM
Prove it about purgatory and you're right about sin.
jkash1776 Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 7:29 PM
Teh OLDER way? You mean the way that GOD gave us? You know God? The one who INVENTED time? The one who is INFINITE? The one who gave us guidelines and rules at a time that may be a couple of thousand years ago for US, but which for him, were no less applicable for now than for then. the God who saw every single being born in EVERY era and therefore gave us laws that were as applicable for then as for now?
teh truly enlightened God who gave us truth and even warned us that you relativists, you folks who say that you are above all that old fashioned stuff, would be making our lives miserable? The God whose words have come back after every single crummy society has trashed itself..mostly through taking God out of the foundation of society?
jkash1776 Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 7:34 PM
thank you for the church and bible according to tgwWhale. I'll add you to the other 44,000 who give me their professional, self-referenced interpretation, which is not able to be agreed upon collectively by any of the other 44,000.

Christan Lights in the me generation...I'll just do what sounds good to me.
jkash1776 Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 7:37 PM
To clarify, "I'll just do what sounds good to me" is your version not mine.

Suffering and humility and joy and accepting God's mysteries can never be wholly understood but must be respected and followed with faith is what I'll go along with...my way has an unbroken 2000 year heritage going back to writings dating back to a few decades after Christ's death and resurrection.

YOu bible literalists are often amazing and wonderful people and must please God in so many ways but it 's like trying to fly with half a wing. There is more to the story. May you be filled with more.
JPK2 Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 12:41 PM
Well, when you remove books from the Holy Bible in order to prove your point then you should have no problem with gays changing a few texts. There are certainly proofs of Purgatory. The Jews of Christ's time and Christ Himself believed in Purgatory. If Purgatory and its beliefs were incorrect I am sure Christ would have corrected this - at the very least the Holy Spriit would have.

The idea of Purgatory is simple. Only Christ can redeem Man. One's salvation is always through Christ. However, a person's attachment to sin, which makes up such a big part of their humanity must be cleansed. When you go to Heavean it will be without the attachment to sin. Purgatory is a state of being where the Person is cleansed of any attachment to sin.
JPK2 Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 12:43 PM
So you accept the Bible of Luther and not the Bible canonized in the 4th Century? Again, why can't the gays do the same?

The King James version of the Bible has been hijacked by gay activists who want to rewrite history. Anonymous editors have published a Bible "friendly to gays," and have edited eight major verses to fit their narrative. The "Queen James Bible" is available on Amazon and is described as, "A Gay Bible. The Queen James Bible is based on The King James Bible, edited to prevent homophobic misinterpretation." The description and reasoning for the changes is below.

Why We Chose the King James Version

We chose the 1769 form of the King James...

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