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Caught Red-Handed on Climate Change

Joseph64 Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 2:53 PM
And yet when the Vikings discovered Greenland they were able to grow grapes there. How do you explain the much higher temperatures that had to have existed then when human activity that contributed to climate change was nil? How can anyone say that temperature increases today are anything but natural phenomena?
suyts Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 10:54 PM
Maybe not, but they did grow barely. How's their barley crop today?
ppotts Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 4:47 PM
Just like if you want to say c r a p you can only say it here if you leave a space between each letter. but it is what it is. Its symptomatic of the times we live in, It is pretty deep for sure.
ppotts Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 4:46 PM
thats because its all c r a p......C R A P
Joseph64 Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 4:10 PM
So how do you account for the fact that it was warmer in a pre-Industrial time? How do you also account for the fact that it was much warmer in the time of the dinosaurs than it is today? I'm not exactly sure, but I don't think there were any factories spewing pollutants into the air that would account for that.
Joseph64 Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 4:08 PM
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba450

The Vikings had farms in Greenland.
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 3:20 PM
I think they were fibbing to get immigrants, Joseph. However, it was indeed warmer then than it is now.
Pat2881 Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 3:17 PM
Eric, they may not have been growing grapes. That is in dispute, but they did grow wheat in Greenland, and they grew grapes in York. There seems to be good anthropological evidence that they grew grapes and exported wine from England. Wheat grown in Greenland and grapes grown for wine making purposes in York are not possible today.
Stuart95 Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 3:14 PM
They were the kind of grapes used in frozen juice concentrate.
ericynot Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 3:12 PM
Joseph,

I find no evidence anywhere of grapes ever having been grown in Greenland.

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