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The Price of Liberty, Part 1: Achieving a Right Perspective

JohnSmith25 Wrote: Aug 13, 2012 9:50 AM
I highly recommend you read the state charters for each of the original 13. They use terms like "Jesus Christ our redeemer" etc... Doesn't sound all that secular to me, but to each his own...
t252 Wrote: Aug 31, 2012 12:36 AM
every state preamble recognizes god, a simple google search verifies that.
dweisbrod Wrote: Aug 13, 2012 9:17 PM
I believe that the Founding Fathers based our founding on a very clear understanding of the real nature of man as an individual and mankind as a whole and did the very best job ever of originating a new nation based on that understanding......which was written many years before in the Bible as well as proven throughout history.
Charles the Hammer Wrote: Aug 13, 2012 8:42 PM
Ok, go to this page:

There are a LOT of the founding documents of the 13 original colonies. There are also pre-colonial charters and documents. The word Jesus appears in only 5 of the 80 documents there, and only in 1, an early document from Connecticut, does the name Jesus appear outside of a form of oath.

The phrase "Jesus Christ out redeemer" does not appear once in any of these documents. So, I'd say you're very, very wrong, unless you are referencing documents not contained on this list. If so, please provide the names of the specific documents.
Charles the Hammer Wrote: Aug 13, 2012 1:48 PM
You're talking about state charters - and that doesn't apply to all 13. If you're talking about the foundational documents of this nation - and NOT the charters of colonies, then you're talking about two different things. I think you're really stretching in an attempt to find a "religious" basis. Don't forget - our Constitution was specifically designed to NOT be religiously based. (I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing, just a reality). It's not a matter of "to each his own," it's a matter of reality.

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