In response to:

Electric Cars: The Environmentally Friendly Way of Losing Money Since 2009

johnm h Wrote: Dec 07, 2012 9:16 AM
We consumer don't have to decide which vehicle makes sense to produce, just get the government out of the way and then we get to pick from winners. Diesel's do even better than hybrids on the highway, but hybrids are showing up in taxis in NY stop go traffic. Taxi drivers are deciding, but consumers can't decide about diesel because there are only a few models available. Why is that? EPA.
wiseone Wrote: Dec 07, 2012 9:24 AM
Diesel fuel would have greatly improved performance and greatly reduced the volume of emission (even for those who believe CO2 is a greenhouse) long ago except for one very practical problem. When you refine a barrel of crude oil you get to choose how much diesel you'll make and much gasoline you'll make. You get what science and nature dictate, which is usually about 5 gallons of diesel. That's why the price diesel often remains stubbornly high while gasoline goes up and down like a yo-yo.

The one area in refining where we could help ourselves is if the EPA would let Big Oil build more refineries. There haven't been any new refineries built in the US since 1976.
wiseone Wrote: Dec 07, 2012 9:25 AM
Correction:

When you refine a barrel of crude oil you DON'T get to choose how much diesel you'll make and much gasoline you'll make.

(I hate it when I do that and end up saying the opposite of what I intended.)
Scrap Iron in Texas Wrote: Dec 07, 2012 9:36 AM
You can choose to make more gasoline.
Diesel is a distillate, while gasoline is refined, and the leftover crude can be re-cracked allowing more gasoline, but no more diesel, to be refined.
rigby4 Wrote: Dec 07, 2012 9:48 AM
It depends what feed stock you have too
rworthington Wrote: Dec 07, 2012 10:40 AM
several things here. the federal road tax is higher on diesel. true, no new refineries have been built; big oil has shut down several with the stated purpose of cutting gas supplies, thereby raising the price. i owned a ('84?) ford escort wagon diesel. when we moved to california in '85, averaged 57 mpg for the trip. i used to schedule mtce. when mpg dropped to 45! why did they stop offering cars like this? EPA
johnm h Wrote: Dec 07, 2012 11:53 AM
All above true. Diesel costs me 10% more but I get 60% more millage. We need more refineries and less EPA.

A Congressional Budget Office report released in the fall tells Obama what the rest of us have known for some time: Your bet on electric cars wasn’t an investment, but a gamble; a dumb gamble.

And now you’ve just come up snake eyes.

“Despite the federal government pumping $7.5 billion into the electric vehicle industry in the United States through 2019,” writes the CSMonitor.com, “overall national gasoline consumption is unlikely to be significantly affected, according to a report released by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).”

The CBO says that even if Obama increased the amount of the subsidy, it...

Related Tags: Money
Monday, May 20 | 11:43 PM ET
Monday, May 20 | 11:43 PM ET
Monday, May 20 | 11:43 PM ET
Monday, May 20 | 11:43 PM ET