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The bottom line on all of this is that some folks believe that the unemployment, urban dysfunction, ghetto gangs that have been caused by government policies can be fixed, or at least ameliorated by more government programs. It seems we can't learn anything, even as daily we are seeing that our Federal government has passed a tipping point where all is corruption and dysfunction, nothing works and the only thing to do is to start undoing things. Why isn't this obvious?
You want to pay the unemployed to do public works. You think that would be more positive than making them go get a job by not paying them unemployment, or welfare. I offered the only evidence of this working that I know of. The peace corps and the CCC. We couldn't do it now, our government and political system has become too corrupt, to gigantic, too political. If some states wanted to do this it would at least be constitutional.
it would never collect a penny, that is the point.
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johnm h Wrote: Oct 21, 2014 1:13 PM
Just spend time thinking things through and read the good financial economists, but as a general rule, if a politician or a liberal is proposing a government program, policy, or regulation to fix some human weakness or imperfection. oppose it. They are lying even if you haven't figured out exactly how. You will be right 99.9% of the time.
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johnm h Wrote: Oct 21, 2014 1:10 PM
The overseas Chinese who turned poor backward Singapore into a developed country in a few decades and into the richest country on earth in four decades used to form lending clubs. Members would pool their cash savings and lend it to each other, each member receiving the interest earned, these rates reached over 100% a year. But of course they'd use it to buy imports, get 90 day credit from the seller, pay back the club loan in weeks, move the goods at low prices before the 90 day credit was due. Just get the government out of the way and folks will figure things out. Of course addicts and gamblers will still get in deep and dangerous debt. But that isn't fixed by shrinking credit and return to savings to everybody else. It's all demagoguery and stupidity, but then it's the New York Times and Democrats and a big handful of clueless Republicans.
yes and they are tiny. My neighborhood is homogeneous and can reach agreement on a few collective goods as well. Even so the Scandinavians developed prior to their social welfare programs and still have freer markets than we do. But even tiny homogenous countries can run democracy into decay and rot.
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johnm h Wrote: Oct 21, 2014 12:44 PM
No, that's why I suggest a virtual tariff, or a threat of a tariff. I'd like to see a virtual minimum wage as well, say set at 3$ an hr to answer the idiots that say wages would fall to zero. A virtual tariff puts an expectation of a floor under the price of oil. So that the Saudis would see there is no benefit to driving prices down. If prices got there on there own the tariff would quickly become meaningless.
Try reading it again.
Try reading it again.
Yes our government is really good at organizing community service. We do not want this. Especially with these fascists running things. If we want kids to learn to work, end welfare, minimum wages, food stamps at the Federal level. The cure is not more government. The cure is not more government. The ... keep repeating until you get it right.
Get the government out of the way and they will be hired. But then we only have all of history and the world as evidence of this, so maybe you're right? Organize them in work gangs as did all those I mentioned? While the CCC did good work, we had new parks all over the country with potential for building high return camp sites etc. These weren't drug dealing products of our welfare system and while they were unemployed because of government policy, this was at least a way to get high value work out of them. This government we have now is not capable of organizing this. It will be at best corrupt and dysfunctional. Can you give me some evidence that we could do this and can you make the case that getting the government out of the way wouldn't reduce unemployment significantly? No of course not. As a liberal all you have to offer are insults. What's new?
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