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johninohio Wrote: Aug 17, 2014 6:53 PM
rnaber I'm sorry, I was not accusing you of lying. When I said "You don't need to lie..." I wasn't talking about you personally. I meant 'one doesn't need to lie...'.
However, the unspoken assumption is that this progression can go on indefinitely. We’ve already provided for all our needs, and we have provided for a wealth of wants, but our unsatisfied wants can only shrink more and more in both quantity and significance. Essentially, we are there now. Where is the satisfaction in that? Ultimately, a large majority of a population will need to be placed on the dole, supported by taxation of the industries that supply the population with all its needs and wants. From the producer’s viewpoint, this system will tell them what the consumer wants and at what price. It won’t be money so much as it will be a voting system. The ‘danger’ to all of this is that those not productively employed will, to a large extent, turn to artificial means of finding happiness--drugs. And the government/business syndicate will find a way to create such a drug that has no destructive side effects on the user. And maybe this is the future of most of mankind--a drug induced utopia. I would guess that those who see this trend in the future will turn to sabotage in the hopes of preventing it.
Technology has for a large and growing segment of society made the traditional values of work, and the preparation for work, education--of declining value, simply because the necessities of life are so abundant and available without them. "If you do not work, you do not eat" was a dominant value for mankind for tens of thousands of years until the agricultural and industrial revolutions. Even today, in the electronic revolution, it still has us in its grip to such an extent that we waste huge amounts of natural resources producing a myriad of useless products bought on impulse and soon discarded, just so those who produce them can justify their sharing in the bounty of necessities produced by others. Many jobs and industries have been sent to other nations, never to return-- it's true. But the rise of the computer and the automation it makes possible can have the same effect. We are headed for the indolent society. The old values will be unimaginable and meaningless in the not-too-distant future. None of us can contemplate this trend and be happy about it, because work has always satisfied our need to do something meaningful and useful. Those who have taken the implications of automation and robotics seriously have been able to say, ‘well, it’ll just free up labor to do other things, things never done before, things more important.’ And that has happened.
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johninohio Wrote: Aug 17, 2014 1:35 PM
The House can obstruct, and does obstruct, Democrat excess, but without the Senate, it can't get anything constructive passed. We've seen that time and again with Reid's obstructive Senate tactics.
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johninohio Wrote: Aug 17, 2014 1:31 PM
mak13 All your points are very good.
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johninohio Wrote: Aug 17, 2014 1:29 PM
What Hunter said was to not fight about social issues during the campaign. You don't need to lie, just refuse to discuss it by changing the subject.
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johninohio Wrote: Aug 17, 2014 1:27 PM
And bingo again.
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johninohio Wrote: Aug 17, 2014 1:26 PM
Romney wasn't forced by a mere moderator to do or say anything. When GS repeated the question, Romney should have repeated his answer. But he capitulated. He lacked self control and self discipline. Or didn't understand the trap that lay before him.
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johninohio Wrote: Aug 17, 2014 1:20 PM
Under Bush, the debt rose by an unprecedented $4T. And he vetoed not once.
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johninohio Wrote: Aug 17, 2014 1:15 PM
Dobermite Your goal is way too ambitious. It can't be achieved short of a right wing military coup or a revolution, and a half generation of left wing reaction against it. Hunter is being realistic by trying to stop the trend to the left, and leaving it to the future to gradually turn it back toward the right.
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johninohio Wrote: Aug 17, 2014 1:07 PM
Right on, RG.
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