@george: you need to talk to some young people. Ron Paul is starting a whole new movement with the younger generation. Even if you disagree with his foreign policy (which seems to be the only thing people ever complain about) , you have to recognize how important it is to have folks in the next generation understand and see the benefits of real federalism and limited government influence in our lives. Ron Paul walks the walk and talks about it in a way the is off beat and appeals to many young people and others who are tired of the typical mold of politicians who are always afraid to just tell it like it is.

I would like nothing more than to see newt tear obama up, but I completely agree with you. Getting the senate is really almost more important than which one of these guys gets in the white house, because progressive or not, Romney is going to sign the bills. If he gets major tax reform, repeal obamacare, a budget with major cuts, etc, etc. He'll sign. Herman Cain was the only guy that could actually talk about conservatism in a way the average guy could relate, and he blew up. There isn't going to be another reagan in the short term, we just have to get the white house and the senate. That's the best we can do right now.

This is where you "dopy liberals" get is all wrong. You think it is wealth that corrupts, that's not so, its power that corrupts. The federal aggregation of power is the root of the problem. That is what has led to the cronyism, not the creation of wealth. Think about it, if that successful corporation that you hate so much, had to grease state congressman all over the country it sure would be a lot harder, than just setting up lobbyists in one place. Now if the OWS folks would start talking about repealing the 17th amendment, and giving states some representation again, well then I must start listening.

I actually agree, that conservatives ought to be looking for the common thread between OWS and say Tea Party movement. IMHO, both agree on the problem, naming we have crony capitalism as money flows from politicians to business and back again. The difference is that OWS folks think money and greed is the root of the problem. Whereas conservatives know that power is the corrupting force, the main problem being the aggregation of power in washington. Even though the solution is widely different, one wanting more gov't and the other less, I think a good deal of americans can agree about the problem. Conservatives would do well to recognize this and begin to take advantage of it. Its an opportunity to teach people.

Yes thank you I've been saying the same thing for years. The 17th amendment is responsible for the lobbyists, un-funded mandates, cronyism, you name it. First order of business should be to repeal it.

I completely agree. There are factions on all sides who do not want to see an outsider with a bold vision, who hasn't played the game their way, be in the white house. Just listen and watch what Karl Rove says about Cain. Its very obvious. Its like some fraternity house, and Cain hasn't be hazed yet. I'm just hoping Cain can rebound from this, he's my guy right now, I'm not thrilled about any of the alternatives.

My hope is that this movement ends up supporting a 3rd party marxist candidate and then splits the Obama vote. So more the left and crazy they get the happier I become. Hell, I might even go poop in a bucket myself if it would help get Obama out of office.

Do you have a job? Are you older than 14 ? I can't believe anyone older than that could actually believe what you are saying. Last I checked my paycheck I was still paying quite a bit, maybe I need to talk to my accountant, didn't realize I shouldn't be paying anything.

Excellent, couldn't agree more. This is the message conservatives need to get out. Power should be with individuals and only given to gov't when necessary, and only if gov't can actually deliver something. Individuals making their own decisions based on their own needs and beliefs leads to a better society, economically and socially. What I'd like to hear more from conservative politicians is examples of how this has worked in the real world. IMHO, empirical evidence is necessary to convince the independents our way is better. Without evidence, we come off sounding idealogical and no better than the left. There is a ton of evidence our there, we just need to message it better.