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Marriage is What it is

Joe296 Wrote: Apr 01, 2013 9:20 AM
An essential element in the concept Marriage is the biological possibility of procreation. This essential element is missing in a relationship between two people of the same gender. A relationship between two people of the same gender can be called by any name one wishes to call it by with the exception of the name Marriage. The laws and legal rights associated with a relationship between two people of the same sex can be the exact same as the laws and legal rights associated with two people of the opposite sex but it still does not make the relationship between the two people of the same sex a Marriage because an essential, defining element of a Marriage is missing.
Tommy_Maq Wrote: Apr 01, 2013 11:29 AM
"An essential element in the concept Marriage is the biological possibility of procreation."

Wrong.

Old and sterile people get married all the time (and if they adopt kids, that commitment tends to make their home more stable and life more predictable and successful).

Try again?

"A relationship between two people of the same gender can be called by any name one wishes to call it by with the exception of the name Marriage. "

People call it marriage all the time. Obviously, what you think can't be done...can be.
AliveInHim Wrote: Apr 01, 2013 2:50 PM
How do two men become one flesh?:

Apparently you ignore the fact that instances of individual infertility do not negate the larger, true biological function, as well as the fact that two becoming one is only possible when the parts involved complement each other.

What does the root term 'matri' in 'matrimony' mean-and why is marriage also called matrimony?

Now, once again, how do two men or two women become one flesh?
Mike2048 Wrote: Apr 01, 2013 10:02 AM
By the same token a couple where both male and female intentionally undergo sterilization makes their Marriage miss an "essential element".

Maybe we should eliminate the standard deduction for couples that have a vasectomy or tubal ligation, and charge a value-added tax on all contraception.
AliveInHim Wrote: Apr 01, 2013 10:08 AM
Mike, it's a matter of complementary physical attributes as well. It takes two different sexes to become one flesh; the children born to that union are not incidental even if in some instances they must be adopted; it STILL takes a man and a woman to create a child. Individual fertility or lack thereof is not what defines the larger, true biological principle. That is also why it's called 'matrimony'. SOMEONE has to be the mother-and no man can be mother any more than any woman can be father.

How is it possible for two men to become 'one flesh'?

Off to class. Back later.

IsraelFirsterSecond Wrote: Apr 01, 2013 11:12 AM
Both? I'd bet that rarely happens.

“It depends upon what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is,” said the smooth-talking, skirt-chasing, totally busted philanderer.

“Well, no, Bill,” replied Congress. “Actually, things just ‘is’ what they is.”

Here’s what marriage is: The God-ordained, lifelong, covenantal union between man and wife, designed to provide men, women and children optimal stability and overall well-being. Marriage is that biologically, spiritually and morally centered institution calculated to ensure responsible procreation and perpetuate the human race. Marriage – real marriage – represents the fundamental cornerstone of any healthy society (any society that hopes to survive, at least).

Here’s what marriage is not: Anything...