In response to:

Star Parker: Ben Carson on America's Education Challenge

jimmylynn Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 2:29 AM
Our public school system was the best in the world fifty years ago and it gradually deteriorated into it's present form, a failure in educating students. The trigger for this decline was deseggregation. Unions lateThe first pillar of success to go was discipline. Racial concerns eliminated traditional disciplinary actions in our schools; then grade integrity disappeared as racial concerns over grading reduced those standards and children were passed through without the proper skills to advance; then respect dissappeared as a result of the lack of discipline and teachers were disrespected by students; as a result of these three pillars disappearing chaos and violence swept through our schools and no amount of money will fix that.
jimmylynn Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 2:32 AM
In many schools, students that want to do the work and get a good education are being robbed of that opportunity by the disruptors in the class and the labor union's influence over retaining quality teachers.
jimmylynn Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 3:30 AM
Understand....I am not arguing the merits of desegregation. What I am arguing here is the way it was implimented and the impact that failure has caused our school systems. The reluctance of our government and our people to address racial issues in a logical and mature way. A failure to have that conversation where concerns can be addressed without negatively effecting a system of education that was the most successful in the world. After-all that was what desegregation was all about. Allowing minorities the same opportunities for a good education and raising their standards, not by bringing the whole system down to meet those lower standards because racial concerns are so sensitive a subject.
Rte66ZenMaster Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 3:43 AM
We can thank the NEA and teacher's unions for the decline in quality education.
samplin Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 8:34 AM
There are many to thank for the decline, including LBJ, the courts mushy headed libs.
samplin Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 8:44 AM
It's more than desegregation.

In 1962, when I entered the classroom, junior high students were pretty much tracked. There I tried to teach the same material and skills to some pretty shiftless, lazy and low achieving kids. Not a one was Black.

Tracking was trashed as being discriminatory and a roadblock to the utopian dream of every child have the mettle to earn a college decree. The curriculum was standardized across the spectrum of ability resulting in lower and lower standards. By high school, the bright and hardworking students can escape by virtue of the tougher math and science courses.

jimmylynn Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 10:17 AM
I didn't mean to imply that only blacks suffer from the lower standards that our schools have decended to. After the standards were lowered and disciline became non-existent the whole system collapsed. All students now suffer from these standards and attitudes. All students can achieve and learn when they are taught in the right environment. We need to visit the past to regain our future and achieve the goals of segregation that never materialized.
jimmylynn Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 10:21 AM
I was in the public school system when segregation was implimented. Naturally I only have the schools that I attended as a reference point, but all the schools I attended had very high standards and very strict discipline prior to desegregation. I watched it slowly degrade to what we have today. I witnessed the problems that faced teachers trying to keep those standards in place while being confronted with accusations of racism when those standards were applied.
jimmylynn Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 10:22 AM
Correction: segregation=desegregation

In the midst of the third presidential debate in Florida, which was supposedly about foreign policy, President Barack Obama interjected a few words about American education.

The rationale was not unreasonable. A better-educated America will be a better-performing and more internationally competitive America.

"Let's talk about what we need to compete. ... Let's take an example that we know is going to make a difference in the 21st century and that's our education policy," he said.

Unfortunately, as is so often the case with politicians, what we hear...