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The Surprising Gift of 'Zero Dark Thirty'

Jim69 Wrote: Jan 18, 2013 10:35 AM
I would like to read John McCain's review with regard to the interrogation techniques.
t252 Wrote: Jan 18, 2013 9:57 PM
Ann Anon Wrote: Jan 18, 2013 10:59 AM
We have already heard his opinion many times over the last 40 years or so. He is against it on principal and not just because of his experience in POW camps. The first time I ever heard of America's participation in torture was Nam. A friend of mine said the favorite interogation method was to haul them up in a Huey and tell them, "If you can't fly, don't lie." After they threw out the first one or two they started talking. I was horrified then and now. And any psychologist (ms or phd) or psychiatrist (md) that participates should be immediately defrocked from medical societies. They are not worthy. We are Americans. We ARE better than other nations. Regardless of what Obama thinks. No torture is worth the price WE pay when we meet our God.
spartacus3344 Wrote: Jan 18, 2013 11:09 AM
Oh yeah? What if the life that depends on what a particular prisoner knows is that of your child? Is it worth moistening a terrorist then?

Are you ready to look a father in the eye and tell him, "Yeah we could've found the bomb, but it would've meant waterboarding that terrorist and I'm too self-righteous to do that."?
True Conservative! Wrote: Jan 18, 2013 11:40 AM
Yeah, war is hell ... others shouldn't start them!
DWinch Wrote: Jan 18, 2013 11:48 AM
Too bad America's enemies have no such moral standards. For years America refused to train full time snipers until we understood there is no such thing as a fair fight.
In war there is the quick and the dead. A live dog is mighter than a dead lion.
accept reality Wrote: Jan 18, 2013 12:41 PM


I am sure your family and friends are comforted in knowing that you would never make such a decision on their behalf.

Just in case there is any doubt, please swear to the world that you would never 'sweat' or shoot a perpetrator that you knew would kill someone dear to you.
BBBrad Wrote: Jan 18, 2013 4:56 PM
Ann, so, you like Urban Legends like throwing prisoners from one can find a documented case, but you keep talking about it, OK?
thoughts from friends: "Never saw anyone dropped from a chopper, but I was told by an American interpreter that it was fairly standard procedure to take off with a prisoner, blindfold him in the air, and then fly down slowly to a three foot hover and push him out. Absolutely terrifying."

Wouldn't it be more "immediate" to handle that sort of interrogation on the ground with an M16? Why waste time finding a willing pilot, loading the prisoners onto a helicopter, and getting to a good altitude?
Why expose yourself and the crew to enemy fire?
BBBrad Wrote: Jan 18, 2013 4:57 PM
Why risk there being a lot of witnesses to a war crime? On the ground, there'd be much fewer.
Why interrogate someone in a helicopter if you can help it? Hueys are noisy machines, and I wouldn't want to try to understand a scared-to-death prisoner who speaks a difficult foreign language.
It's also pretty windy in a Huey. If the prisoner had maps (an interrogator's wet dream), the rotor-wash would be a nightmare.
You use whatever you need to support your position.
Roy323 Wrote: Jan 19, 2013 2:05 PM
Ann Anon-Yes, the "if you can't fly, don't lie" Incidents DID occur-I can't attest to the fact that the interrogators held any degrees in Medicine-the ones I witnessed wore Khaki Pants, white shirts and sunglasses (without exception) and didn't talk much. I suspected that most had initials that were ica, aci, or something like that! And they did (sometimes) get "answers"; I had decided early on that if I was interrogated by the VC, I would make Jane Fonda look like a super patriot. I'd give up the A-Bomb recipe, Ft. Knox's lock combinations and so forth. (U really think I was privy to info like that? HUH?

When it comes to Kathryn Bigelow’s “Zero Dark Thirty,” there are two kinds of people-- those who have seen it and those who should.

Emerging from any theater afterward, there will be two kinds of people-- those who grasp that enhanced interrogations save lives, and those who do not.

As a longtime member of the first group, I was gratified to the point of surprise that a product out of Hollywood depicted our harshest interrogations without an accompanying ham-fisted condemnation.

But the even greater praise for “Zero Dark Thirty” is that nor does it grab you by the lapels and...