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Science, Sex and Birth Control

Jim4136 Wrote: Apr 11, 2013 10:20 AM
Mr. Chapman, Teva Pharmaceuticals, the creators of Plan B, include a warning label warning that the drug may interfere with a fertilized embryo's ability to implant. That means abortion. It appears that if anybody is anti-science, it is you. I don't know whether you simply didn't do your research or you have chosen to lie, but either way my respect is diminished. Out here in middle America where regular folk live, common sense exists. We know the scientists aren't sure what Plan B contraceptives do to fertilized embryos and we know that finding out is next to impossible and we know that eggs can be fertilized very quickly if the circumstances are right. Add all that up and we figger there's a damn good chance this is abortion.
ThousandLaces Wrote: Apr 11, 2013 12:38 PM
You have to be pregnant to abort. And you aren't pregnant until the fertilized egg implants. I can understand why someone would object to aborting an 8 month old fetus, but just don't get the issue when it comes to preventing a tiny blob of cells from implanting.
Mark in CA Wrote: Apr 11, 2013 1:16 PM
No, you don't have to be pregnant to abort, Thousand.

To abort means: 1) to bring forth stillborn, nonviable, or premature offspring
and 2) to termnate prematurely. (With thanks to Merriam-Webster).

You are attempting to redefine the term "abort" to mean that only a pregnancy can be aborted. In fact, what is the truth is that a human being in the process of growth is aborted = killed.
Mark in CA Wrote: Apr 11, 2013 1:30 PM
That "tiny blob of cells" phrase from the 1970s that you cling to was created by pro abortionists as a euphamism to assuage consciences. Since then, we have discovered that at the moment of conception a human being is created. We know this because at conception a fusion occurs of the woman's DNA and the DNA of the man. This creates a DNA or genotype that is separate and distinct from either the mother's or father's DNA. Furthere more, that DNA or genotype is expressed as a phenotype also known as a body. At the moment of conception, the body contains the total amount of DNA it will ever contain throughout its entire lifespan whether that person is aborted or lives to be 100 years or older.
ThousandLaces Wrote: Apr 11, 2013 4:23 PM
You have to be pregnant to to 1) bring forth stillborn, nonviable, or premature offspring
or 2) terminate prematurely.
ThousandLaces Wrote: Apr 11, 2013 4:32 PM
Oh, please, before the egg implants, it's a tiny blob of undifferentiated cells.
Shoppin Wrote: Apr 11, 2013 7:13 PM
Don't expect these people to understand that logic. That's why they keep losing elections. They are such wingnuts that they can't even figure out that an unimplanted anything is a blob of cells. Nobody votes for the candidate fools they support. Check out Crazy Chrissy O"Donnell and people like Murdock. Even PA got rid of Sanctorum.
Mark in CA Wrote: Apr 11, 2013 11:39 PM
Thousand, you want to argue semantics. You are ignoring the total process. If the zygote is prevented from implanting in the wall of the uterus because the female takes a pill to prevent this from occuring, the female has aborted the course of events that typically occur by which the zygote will further develop. This constitutes a premature termination of the human life. Following this termination, the female's body expels or brings forth a nonviable offspring. See?

Probably you don't.
Mark in CA Wrote: Apr 11, 2013 11:43 PM
No. Your antiquated term can apply equally to any blob of cells, such as a blob of cells from intestinal mucosa that are not a distinct, growing organism per se. You are ignoring the facts of science as I have laid out in my above post.
Mark in CA Wrote: Apr 11, 2013 11:47 PM
Shoppin, my experiences are that ignoring facts is foolish and tends to lead to bad outcomes in life. If you and the rest of the country want to ignore the facts and pretend that you are wise to do so while heaping insults on those who hold to the facts, I don't care. I will continue to speak the truth. Elections be damned.

Democrats claim we have one party that upholds science and one that rejects it. When it comes to climate change, presidential polling, evolution and other topics, we are told, Republicans have no use for actual experts. They'd rather listen to Rep. Michele Bachmann, who claimed the HPV vaccine causes mental retardation.

But today, I'm glad to report the Democratic charge has been discredited. We don't have a pro-science party and an anti-science party. We have two anti-science parties.

That's the clear implication of the controversy over Plan B, the "morning-after" pill that is used to avert pregnancy after unprotected sex. The GOP and...