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Don't Blame Boehner

Jim3912 Wrote: Dec 22, 2012 10:10 AM
Re: Boehner: His critics seem to argue that his job as a "leader" is to lead the country over a cliff?? A good leader (Boehner, Obama and Reid) negotiates. This means, by definition, not getting all one would like. Boehner has had a tough task in holding his caucus somewhat together and has forced Obama and the Dems to start taking conservative voices seriously. My guess is that there will be tax relief for the 98% and possibly a deal for the 2% between $250K and $1 million, with further negotiations pushed into 2013.
Beeblebrox Wrote: Dec 23, 2012 10:52 AM
The problem is that Boehner starts negotiations by first giving the Dems what they want then working from there. A true conservative leader would have started with cutting the budget to the bone and cutting taxes. The compromise position would be cutting spending and leaving tax rates alone.

Remember, the "fiscal cliff" is the DEBT burden not the expiration of the Bush tax rates. That's an MSM meme.
olerocker/bluesman Wrote: Dec 22, 2012 11:11 AM
The futher negotiations will never happen if that is the agreement...have never worked with the dems in the past and see no chance of it happing now.
Jim3912 Wrote: Dec 22, 2012 11:37 AM
Understand, but that is the way our system works. In any event, our financial situation is such that our politicians will be forced to address our situation sooner rather than later. Obamacare, when fully implemented, will further pose serious financial burdens on the middle class...and it is the welfare of the middle class that will dictate our future.
Rich L. Wrote: Dec 22, 2012 3:06 PM
No Jim, this is how our system DOESN'T work! When you compromise with evil, you still get evil. Anything that adds more Federal government to do something not specifically enumerated in the Constitution is, repeat after me, unConstitutional and needs to be abolished.

When you lose an election, you get frustrated. When you're sitting in a subpar 2 percent economy, and are faced with tax hikes rather than marginal rate reductions, you get even more frustrated. And when you're staring at $47 trillion in spending over the next 10 years, and $8.6 trillion in deficits, your frustration levels climb even higher.

These are among the frustrations that led a number of House Republicans to pull back from Speaker John Boehner's so-called Plan B. Nobody looked good on the Republican side when Thursday night's vote fell through. But you have to understand their frustrations....