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Maybe it was Stalin or not who said: It is not the people who vote that count; it's the people who count the votes!
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JFKDem Wrote: Nov 10, 2012 11:04 PM
I do not believe the American idea is limited to "race". I just believe ideology has used identity politics to enhance an un-American idea.
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JFKDem Wrote: Nov 10, 2012 10:51 PM
The interests of socialism or collectivist interests seemed to have gamed society. The governing class has grown too powerful. The dominant culture undermines values of independence and free market capitalism. The major media has lost all pretense of truth and accountability. We seemed to have raised a generation with little interest in true liberty, responsibility, and self government. This election has been an eye-opener for me. I see a nation on path to unsustainble welfare state, slave to debt, and unable to defend its interests. We will be Greece on a grand scale.
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JFKDem Wrote: Nov 10, 2012 10:48 PM
The interests of socialism or collectivist interests seemed to have gamed society. The governing class has grown too powerful. The dominant culture undermines values of independence and free market capitalism. The major media has lost all pretense of truth and accountability. We seemed to have raised a generation with little interest in true liberty, responsibility, and self government. This election has been an eye-opener for me. I see a nation on path t unsustainble welf
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JFKDem Wrote: Nov 10, 2012 10:28 PM
Yet another simplistic extrapolation. Consider the Laffer curve. But I guess I better used to 4 more years of Obama straw men: Those that want less govt. want no gov't...those want less regulation means wanting dirty air and water, etc.
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JFKDem Wrote: Nov 10, 2012 10:20 PM
Thanks for static, flat earth analysis. Let me give you an analogy: Why do stores have sales? Sell more product, get more revenue. Tax money making activity, you get less of it. You say spending stimulates the economy. The rich money does not just sit under mattresses. It is invested or it is spent (or charity--still spending). Resent the tycoon that builds a mansion; yet, that mansion means jobs. The government spending is not a net gain because the money is just taken out of the private economy. Maybe you want gov't to take money from rich and direct to (and stimulate)consumer economy. You just cripple the largest part of consumer market--the rich.
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JFKDem Wrote: Nov 10, 2012 8:44 PM
Vote says more about the nation than the candidates. 2012 may be my last votes.
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JFKDem Wrote: Nov 10, 2012 8:42 PM
About the rich folk who believe in higher taxes and 'fairness'-- they get the best tax advise to pay less tax, then rarely give charity or volunteer the extra contribution to government. Lot's of rich liberals. Usually folks that were rich or got rich fast and easy.They' re trust fund babies that inherited wealth from hardworking conservative parents (Kennedy, Rockefellers, etc.). Or widows. Many control foundations formed by generous conservatives of the past. Some are actors, movie stars, or even business ceo's who rose quickly to fame and fortune. Why? Guilt. Ego. Hobby. There is a long history of rich conservatives who turn to give back with philanthropy, etc. The liberal calling is to lobby government to force others to give.
To my libertarian friends, There is a lesson from the past. Sixty-six years ago, Franklin Roosevelt ran for re-election during a flagging economy. It was not clear the much of the New Deal would survive. There was ideological resistance in the courts and there was public opposition. FDR won that election by assembling a collection of special interests, demonizing his opponents, and displaying his populist charm. This is how the welfare state found its footing in America. Tragically, the liberty-loving constitutional arguments against governmental collectivism were marginalized for a generation.
Yes-a vote for Johnson-thanks, comrade (from Barak 'divide and conquer' Obama).
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