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The Fool Says, ‘There is no God’

JetLaces Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 12:00 AM
Well, let's say that's true, well, then we lucked out.
MudontheTires Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 4:01 AM
"You Christians are trying to figure out odds after the fact."

And you progs are trying to pretend the obvious doesn't exist because you don't want to believe inanything higher than yourselves.

"The universe turned out the way it turned out."

And it turned out because its designer made it that way.

"That's finding created patterns and meaning in random patterns and events."

If you think that something as complex as the human body is the result of chance, that's your problem. The rest of us are smarter than that.
MudontheTires Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 3:53 AM
"You don't even know what "to the 143rd power" means."

And you do? Your stupidity is only outweighed by your arrogance, you mindless pinko shill.
JetLaces Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 2:53 AM
You don't even know what "to the 143rd power" means.
JetLaces Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 2:51 AM
You Christians are trying to figure out odds after the fact. The universe turned out the way it turned out. Humans often engage in what I call "constellationizing". That's finding created patterns and meaning in random patterns and events. Think of constellations.
Mark in CA Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 12:16 AM
Mathematically, a probability of 1 in 10 to the 50th power means "zero probability". Ergo there is no chance that "luck" had anything to do with the fine tuning of the universe.
Mark in CA Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 12:15 AM
"Unlikely things happen all the time." This is the mantra of the anti-design movement. However, there is an absolute physical limit for improbable events to happen in our universe. The universe contains only 10 to 80th baryons and has only been around for 13.7 billion years (10 to the 18th sec). Since the smallest unit of time is Planck time (10 to the -45th sec), the lowest probability event that can ever happen in the history of the universe is:

1/10 to the 80th x 1/10 to the 18th x 1/10 to the 45th =1/10 to the 143rd power.

So, although it would be possible that one or two constants might require unusual fine-tuning by chance, it would be virtually impossible that all of them would require such fine-tuning.
MudontheTires Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 12:10 AM
"Well, let's say that's true, well, then we lucked out."

How about we just say that no matter what the evidence presented, Jet will not even consider the FACT she's wrong, and just make flippant comments.

And progs say their godlessness is not a religion.

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” – Genesis 1:1

Be they theist or be they atheist, on this most scientists agree: In the beginning there was nothing. There was no time, space or matter. There wasn’t even emptiness, only nothingness. Well, nothing natural anyway.

And then, bang! Everything. Nonexistence became existence. Nothing became, in less than an instant, our inconceivably vast and finely tuned universe governed by what mankind would later call – after we too popped into existence from nowhere, fully armed with conscious awareness and the ability to think, communicate and observe – “natural law”...