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Wal-Mart vs. the Mob

Jenners Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 10:47 AM
I would be a lot more sympathetic to WalMart's probs with the unions if they had not opened for business on Thanksgiving. Please don't tell me that a company that forces its employees to leave their families on such a holiday is treating them well. (In chatting with WM employees, working that day was NOT voluntary). I will be boycotting WalMart (and Target and KMart, etc.) until after Christmas. I won't feed their greed.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 5:12 PM
Wal*Mart was open on Thanksgiving because ... wait for it ... CONSUMERS wished to shop on Thanksgiving. No one was "forced" to do anything. The free exchange of labor for compensation is entirely voluntary, Those who are so ignorant of reality that they believe "workers have no power" can't be taken seriously as they have made no effort to learn economics ... or reality.
Jenners Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 7:09 PM
You are absolutely right. They were responding to the desire of consumers. But that doesn't make it right.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Nov 24, 2012 3:15 PM
Actuallty, that's exactly what it does. That's what the free market is.
Seawolf Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 1:28 PM
Are you as sympathetic to the troops who miss virtually ALL holidays while they keep the rest of us protected? Some jobs require sacrifice, I'd say our military makes the largest one so I sure don't get warm and fuzzy about a Wal-mart employee...I missed quite a few holidays over the years BTW.
Jenners Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 7:07 PM
If you read my subsequent comments above, I talked about professions where people must work (medical personnel, first responders, etc.). I am not talking about crucial public services, I'm talking about shopping, for heaven's sake!!!
Arley2 Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 12:21 PM
Dear Miss Jenners, you twit,

Your argument is idiotic in the extreme showing clearly that your ability to think is absent or severely limited. Think of all the people that DO WORK on Thanksgiving and other Holidays.
= Police, Firemen, Airline employess, hotel staff, cab drivers, TV and radio staff, Doctors and nurses. and you could go on and on with the list.

Typical of Liberalprogressivesocialist folks, you pick one situation and one event and make far reaching statements based on little or nothing. Fantasy, I guess.
Jenners Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 1:22 PM
So I'm stupid and a twit. And I thot ad hominem attacks were restricted to the Liberalprogressivesocialist crowd -- my bad.

I re-read my post looking for where I said first responders and medical people shouldn't work on Thanksgiving. I couldn't find that part. I never denied that there are places which need to be open at all times and jobs which must be done every day. Duh. But is our need so desperate to shop a few hours earlier that we are willing to deny others a holiday respite? Please.

Continued...
Jenners Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 1:26 PM
Continuation:
Another thing typical of Liberalprogressivesocialist folks is the assumption that all on our "side" have to agree on every issue. That is why they are intolerant of pro-life democrats. But "our" side (yes, I am a conservative) has distinguished itself (apart from Townhall comments, I find) by tolerance of variations within our ranks. For example, the Log Cabin Republicans. I am horrified by their stance on a certain social issue, but I do not deny that they are Republicans.

I am a small government Republican myself, but I voted for George W. twice despite my disagreement with him on that issue. Because I can tolerate some variation within the mean.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 5:15 PM
Um, you said you'd answered all the points under Arley2 except ... yopu didn;t deal with reality in any of the responses. You are doing EXACTLY what Liberalprogressivesocialist folks do constantly ... you are presupposing that YOUR judgment is superior to that of the people involved - the employers, the employees and the shoppers going so far as to set your own opinion of what is necessary (or despearte) over private actors in the marketplace.

Please. You can't claim to advocate "small government" and use exactly the same reasoning as the "there oughtta be a law" crowd.
Jenners Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 7:06 PM
Where did I claim to have answered all of Arley2's arguments? I just commented on being called a twit and a Liberalprogressivesocialist, and somehow I managed to do so without calling him names. I could think of a few, but I don't think they have a place in civilized discussion/debate.

Where did I say there oughta be a law? No way should the govt. get involved in setting hours for retail stores. WalMart has every right to be open whenever they want, just as I have the right not to shop there. John 4696 said they won't miss me or what little I would spend. Very true. On that basis I should not bother voting either. I'm just one person, what difference does it make? Obviously, it didn't make a difference this past election day.
Freedomfighter57 Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 11:24 AM
Well stupid -- maybe all the firefighters,police, and ambulance workers should stay home on Thanksgiving too.. and all the other holidays we work. We do it because we want to and it is part of the job. Walmart probably told these people they would be assigned to work holidays when they applied. If this lazy garbage does not want to work holidays then don't take the job and don't bash Walmart for conducting their business the way they want and have too. If you don't like Walmarts practices by all rights don't go there but in the same voice don't deny others who want to patronize that store.
Freedomfighter57 Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 11:30 AM
PS - if the lazy ones don't want to work on holidays quit or wait to be fired -- With 23 million + Americans out of work I bet I could find some who would be glad to go in there and earn a living
E1776 Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 12:06 PM
Don't forget nurses (my girl friend is one) and emergency room doctors, and full care nursing home personnel. Some people like the vacation pay.
Jenners Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 1:27 PM
Responded to all these posts under Arley2.
John4694 Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 11:17 AM
They were hired to do a job. And you can bet your you know what that they were glad to get it. Sometimes a job is more important than a principal. At least they were earning a paycheck, instead of sitting around and stuffing themselves. I have a job that requires a lot of traveling, consequently I miss a lot of Holidays. But I don't quit it because of that. You have some twisted priorities friend and I can see that you have been using some twisted logic. If you want to give up shopping at these Super Stores that is your privilege. But I'm sure they wont miss you or what little that you would spend.
Jenners Wrote: Nov 23, 2012 1:27 PM
Responded to all these posts under Arley2.
Black Friday always brings out the worst: long lines, short tempers and random outbreaks of shoppers' rage. This year, Big Labor will ratchet up the Strikesgiving tension with professional grievance-mongers and workers picketing at 1,000 Wal-Mart stores nationwide.

Attention, Wal-Mart directors: Mob appeasement never works. They've tried repeatedly to stave off union thuggery through political "partnerships" and capitulation. It has failed and failed and failed.

As you may recall, the discount retail giant shocked many observers in 2009 when it announced it was embracing the principles of President Obama's federal health care mandate. The nation's largest private (and non-union) employer was...