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Shocker: Democrats Reject Yet Another 'Cliff' Plan They Once Supported

jehosefat Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 11:05 AM
Why do we always act shocked and dismayed every time the democrats outmaneuver us and put us into a corner? Haven't we realized that they are only playing this for maximum political effect? We need to stop playing an honest and up front game, we need to start playing dirty too. Also, we need to call out this twisted logic used by Obama that, if we can't come with a plan he accepts, we are attacking the middle class because then he will let the tax increases go ahead. It's like Obama has a gun to the heads of the middle class and blaming us if he has to pull the trigger. We need to stop acting like amateurs here.
westriversd Wrote: Dec 19, 2012 11:52 AM
If you don't control the media, you can't control the information/propaganda that is provided to the low information citizen. Therefore, you are going to lose when all of the media generated polls are taken, which are taken to verify or justify their own agenda in the first place. We are presently in a lose, lose situation.

This could make for one hell of a drinking game.  Step one: Republicans propose an idea that high-ranking Democrats have explicitly supported in the very recent past.  Step two: Democrats unceremoniously dump all over the idea, calling it "unacceptable," "dead on arrival," or whatever the dismissive pejorative of the day may be.  Step three: Drink (and I've got just the beverage in mind for this occasion).  The trouble is that by this stage in our interminable cliff charade, everyone involved would be too wasted to negotiate any further -- which actually might not be the worst thing in...