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Republicans might as well support a path to citizenship. Logic tells us that there is no way to send 11 million Hispanics back south. Even with Obama destroying the economy the way he is, not all of them will leave. They should agree to a path to citizenship.... Once the border is secured. When we are CERTAIN we won't end up with this same exact problem in another 10 or 20 years. We did this once before under Reagan, we should learn our lessons and learn from history.

And twenty years ago, even Bill Clinton didn't think gay marriage would happen. This is the United States of America. Possibly, the most litigious society in the history of the world. You don't need large groups to sue. One person suing one church and going all the way to the Supreme Court is all it would take.

Yep. Nine states, the District of Columbia and three Indian Reservations have decided that gay people deserve special privileges. Doesn't mean I agree with them. Of course, I'm also not a supporter of affirmative action or hate crime legislation, and strangely, it's for exactly the same reasons.

The point isn't whether a straight man would marry another straight man. The question isn't whether a gay man would marry a woman. The answers to those are obvious. It is a question of RIGHTS though. And, at this time, when it comes to marriage, gay people have all of the same rights as a straight person. You need to argue logic or law, not emotions.

And you didn't respond to the question. Why should homosexuals have special rights? And if homosexuals get special rights, why shouldn't the polygamists? The pedophiles? The guy who wants to marry his car? It's an old argument, but I don't see you making a good, logical counter argument. You keep arguing emotions.

I said in my first post that I believe gay couples should have all of the same rights as a straight couple. Go read it. Just scroll up a few inches. It's right there. I think a gay couple should be able to qualify for the family plan at the gym, they should be able to collect Social Security, they should have medical power of attorney. Those I agree with. Heterosexuals do NOT, however, have the right to marry someone of the same sex. Why should homosexuals? Your argument will be "Why would a straight person want to marry someone of the same sex?" and you're right, they wouldn't. But they still don't have the right and THAT is the point.

If it has nothing to do with the church, why do they demand it be called "gay marriage?" Why not a "Partnership" or a "civil alliance" or any number of other terms? Why not, as you say, make it strictly a STATE issue? As I said in my earlier post, I believe gay couples should have all the rights of a married couple... I just don't think it should be called a marriage and no church should be forced to recognize or accommodate it. The big problem, of course, is that once a civil ceremony takes place, once it becomes accepted, there will be lawsuits filed against churches claiming bigotry or bias and try to force churches to recognize, accommodate or even participate in a gay "marriage"

"Children are not qualified or allowed to give consent, and I have yet to meet a pig that could say "I do."" You dismiss polygamy, bestiality, and pedophilia, the same way the very liberal President Bill Clinton dismissed gay marriage a mere twenty years ago. Make jokes about how no sane man would want three wives, make jokes about women, unsuspectingly, marrying gay men, but you don't respond to the essence of my argument. Why do Homosexuals deserve special treatment?

Right now, gay people have as much right to marry as anyone else! Just like everyone else, a gay person can marry anyone they want to... of the opposite sex! I don't see anyone arguing to give special rights to pedophiles so they can marry a child or to a man who loves a pig so he can marry his favorite sow or to a person who wishes to marry three or four people, instead of just one. Why should gay people get this special right? This extra right? I have absolutely no issue with a gay couple getting the same rights as a heterosexual married couple. There is no reason the state should trample on the centuries old RELIGIOUS tradition of marriage.