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Incoherent Immigration Reform

jeffar Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 7:28 PM
We have 23 million unemployed Americans. We don't need 11 million (if that is the real figure) more people in the job market or on entitlements. We shouldn't be importing skill workers from abroad. We should be training Americans. Immigration laws work fine. I have first hand knowledge of this. The only people having a problem with immigration laws are the people who don't want to abide by them. Even if something were wrong with the laws there can be no debate about them until our borders are secure.
FlamingLiberalMultiCulturalist Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 10:28 PM
Yes we have 23 million unemployed citziens, and yet they will not do many jobs that illegal immigrants do for the money that illegal immigrants get. Some employers probably could pay citizen wages, many cannot.

"Even if something were wrong with the laws there can be no debate about them until our borders are secure"

This is foolishness. Our borders will NEVR BE SECURE as long as there is a need for cheap menial labor that is not being effectively addressed by a legal immigration sytem. The need exists, there is no workable GuestWorker system, hence the problem.

Nothing about illegal immigration quite adds up.

Conservative corporate employers still support the idea of imported, cheap, non-union labor -- in a strange alliance with liberal activists who want the larger blocs of Latino voters that eventually follow massive influxes from Latin America.

Yet how conservative are businesses that in the past flouted federal law -- and how liberal are activists who undermined the bargaining power of American minimum-wage, entry-level workers, many of them minorities?

The remedies for illegal immigration under discussion are just as incoherent. If the government now plans to offer some foreign nationals a pathway to citizenship, does...