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When Should Republicans Force the Big Fight on Spending?

jdick Wrote: Jan 15, 2013 11:24 AM
Many true-blue conservatives with really good ideological views have no concept of political strategy. Ideology is important, but it does no good if you can't make those views popular among the electorate. Being right is not enough; we must also be convincing to the majority of the electorate. Democrats have been very good at that for while now, partly because they don't hesitate to lie. The press supports most of their lies without question, creating another hurdle for conservatives. In that context, Republicans should pass a clean debt ceiling increase. It doesn't have to be as big as Obama wants, but it must be clean.
sleroi Wrote: Jan 15, 2013 11:56 AM
So what's your point? We should give in because we can't win the pr battle? Republicans haven't said they won't raise the ceiling, they've simply let it be known what they expect in return. They have leverage, the question is do they have the courage to wield it. the burden is now on the president, and his preemptive demagoguery, on full display yesterday, is proof. Now is the time for Republicans to do what that were elected to do.
jdick Wrote: Jan 15, 2013 4:16 PM
The point is use intelligent tactics to achieve political objective. The debt ceiling is the wrong battle in attempting to constrain spending and regain political power. There are other vehicles much more friendly to the Republican cause. First is sequestration, second is the continuing resolution.

Many true conservatives don't recognize that some means are more likely to achieve the desired ends than others. You seem to be among those.
Kevin 354 Wrote: Jan 15, 2013 11:53 AM
You can paint a picture of a sinking ship, but you have to paint yourself a better hero. On sinking ships, the Captain orders "Woman and Children First!" before he goes down with the ship. This is figurative, as the ship is never sunk in politics. Tricky ?ick got hammered by the press, but came back(only to get hammered again, but as a result of acting foolishly on his own paranoia).

The simplistic, if understandable, answer to that question for many conservatives is right now.  The national debt has surpassed our GDP, we're borrowing 40 cents of every dollar we spend, and our unpaid-for federal obligations already exceed $80 trillion.  We're in dire straits; there's no escaping that.  But there's also no escaping certain political realities: The public isn't feeling especially charitable toward Congressional Republicans these days, Democrats control 55 Senate seats, and this president will occupy the Oval Office for the next four years.  If the GOP is seeking to apply pressure on the Left to improve our...