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How Conservatives Can Defeat Liberalism

Jack2894 Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 10:02 AM
I stopped reading Chavez column when I got to this line: "According to liberals, justice demands that everyone have the same level of health care. " I stopped because it is just one more example, among millions, where conservatives prefer to argue with straw men instead of confronting reality. Thier argument always seem powerful and convincing, and the conservative entertainment complex (Like TH) goes :"YEAH !!! THAT"S IT". Then, when the real opponent shows up, conservative positions cannot prevail. Justice does not require everyone have equivalent health care. Justice requires that everyone have a baseline of effective health care, and if you have the money to go beyond that, feel free.
Joseph64 Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 10:28 AM
Sorry, but you are wrong. In a truly just society nobody would have more healthcare than they can pay for with their own resources and nobody would be forced to subsidize someone else. You're not allowed to go into KMart with $100 in your pocket and walk out with $200 worth of goods, right? Why should you be allowed to screw over a doctor or hospital (or the taxpayers) when you can't at KMart? If walking out of KMart with more than you can pay for is theft, why isn't socialized medicine also theft?
Jack2894 Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 10:56 AM
I can see that you were anxious to make your own point instead of responding to mine, because you missed it entirely. The question is not which vision of justice is correct, the question is whether Chavez portrayed both visions accurately. Conservatives are going to keep losing the philosophical battle until they can improve their rhetorical skills, i.e. keep to the point and dont' argue with straw men.

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